How to Build a Tesla, Robots at work! The True American Spirit

[Jim Richards]

Originally Posted by Scott R

It can't be answered, there are two many "X's" to solve for accurately. The only thing you can safely say is that 100 batteries for a "service station" will set back that station 1.5 million.

That's based on your $15k anecdote of retail price for a quantity of 1 purchase. That's not realistic for a volume purchase by a non-retail customer.

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

That's based on your $15k anecdote of retail price for a quantity of 1 purchase. That's not realistic for a volume purchase by a non-retail customer.

Since nickle and cobalt are climbing very quickly, 15k is likely not enough.

USGS Scientific Investigations Report 2012–5188: Metal Prices in the United States Through 2010

New demand should bump those numbers up quite a bit as well.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by andyt11

Exactly. Anyone who wants an EV for the sake of being green should know that burning coal isnt that cool either.

Plus, one has to consider the resources used when making an electric vehicle vs a conventional vehicle. It tends to mean you have to drive half way to the moon and back.

BBC News - How environmentally friendly are electric cars?

even in the dirties coal fire plant, electricity can be created and transported much cleaner then inside a piston engine in a car.

[1-ev.com]

Here more about Clean coal technology - Clean coal technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it cost more vs conventional coal energy plants, but it would be less then $3T already gone, by the way... The Three Trillion Dollar War

[RWebb]

Clean coal is a bit of an oxymoron - I hope their CO2 sequestration plans work, but sorta doubt it.

It is really an R&D program right now.

[mikeesik]

Don't forget to include antifreeze, oil and other lubricants that are needed to run today's vehicles as opposed...

[1-ev.com]

Hey, here how fast can you fill the tank?

Try to compete with Tesla, ha

[Scott R]

Well lets see, driving up I70 to go skiing in my Tesla X I would think the refill time would be the length of time for the tow to a plug, then the recharge time. So about five hours I suppose?

[1-ev.com]

Have you watched the video before writing your comment?

PLUS, If whole SWAP station fit under the stage, it should be not too expensive to build.... Oil Co will not like it tho...

Originally Posted by Scott R

Well lets see, driving up I70 to go skiing in my Tesla X I would think the refill time would be the length of time for the tow to a plug, then the recharge time. So about five hours I suppose?

[Scott R]

Yes, it was on WSJ.com the other day. It's laughable at best. Tell me when does the Tesla owner put his credit card in the charger and where? You have to love Elon Musk, he's like Bernie Madoff and PT Barnum all rolled into one little chubby package.

The people that fall for this stuff, I just don't know anymore.

[1-ev.com]

Speaking of Credit Card, dipped... - I think it will be far less then dip it into the gas station pump, + giving money to the bad guys... look at Europe's Gas Prices

And if Competition present, as we can see on the electronics market, we will see almost FREE charging stations around the country...

PLUS, as Elon said in the video, TESLA SUPERCHARGERS ARE FREE TODAY... http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

Originally Posted by Scott R

It's laughable at best. Tell me when does the Tesla owner put his credit card in the charger and where?

The people that fall for this stuff, I just don't know anymore.

[krystar]

...the demostration was only last night.

one question still is how tesla will certify the condition of the swapped pack. and if a used pack will still be replaced under warranty as if it was your original pack. and how many packs will the station keep in storage. and of course we're not at the point yet to say how much the swap costs. 85kwh worth of electricity can vary between $5 offpeak and $25+ peak. but even then that's still cheaper than a tank of gas

[Scott R]

Story has been out for a week. And nothing is "free."

[Scott R]

Originally Posted by krystar

...the demostration was only last night.

one question still is how tesla will certify the condition of the swapped pack. and if a used pack will still be replaced under warranty as if it was your original pack. and how many packs will the station keep in storage. and of course we're not at the point yet to say how much the swap costs. 85kwh worth of electricity can vary between $5 offpeak and $25+ peak. but even then that's still cheaper than a tank of gas

I think you're leaving out taxes.

[1-ev.com]

There are many way to do it, such as:

You can have your original pack stored for you while you are traveling across the country or the world on leased packs, that you let say you've subscribed to, and all this packs tracked by RF chips with SN#, so you can see on line what packs you were using during your trip...

AND this could be implemented with today's technology with NO PROBLEM!!!

I am doing this kind of things for a leaving, look at my sig...

my 2c, -Y.

Originally Posted by krystar

...the demostration was only last night.

one question still is how tesla will certify the condition of the swapped pack. and if a used pack will still be replaced under warranty as if it was your original pack. and how many packs will the station keep in storage. and of course we're not at the point yet to say how much the swap costs. 85kwh worth of electricity can vary between $5 offpeak and $25+ peak. but even then that's still cheaper than a tank of gas

[krystar]

well two questions answered.
http://news.yahoo.com/electric-car-maker-tesla-unveils-90-second-battery-055736289.html

A battery pack swap will cost between $60 and $80, about the same as filling up a 15-gallon gas tank, Musk said. Drivers who choose to swap must reclaim their original battery on their return trip or pay the difference in cost for the new pack.

[Scott R]

Return trip from where?

[krystar]

returning trip from wherever you went to....presumably you are coming back from your destination that was more than 250miles away from home.

and just remember that tesla charging stations (not the battery swap service) are always going to be free. you can't leave your gas car at the pump for 20 minutes while you get lunch and get 5 gallons of gas for free.

[1990C4S]

There is a lot of misinformation in that video. Misnamed processes, misleading statements about the processes, etc.

The implication that this is light years ahead of other automotive plants is not correct.

[1-ev.com]

If you ever test drive Tesla you will understand what is the difference between Gas Cars and EVs are... Lot of people I know do not want to go back to driving gas cars...

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

The implication that this is light years ahead of other automotive plants is not correct.