Should I let this section 8 tenant extort me?

[fastfredracing]

First things first , when this is all over, I'm getting in my Jeep, driving down to Allison Park, knocking on my partners door, and when he opens it, I am going to kick him in the balls, and then spit in his face while he is down.
He went against my will again, and bought a ****ty house in a bad area. It was a piece of shat, and I had to work my butt off to put it back together. He then had a hard time putting tenants in it, and against my will twice in a row, he put the worst of the worst section tenants in .I told him what I thought, what I was scared of, and advised him not to. He went ahead anyhow and assured me that "I got this". It played out exactly as I told him it would. I have posted about this before. It has been a year of Drama, to say the least. Their lease is up, in 3 days. They tried to strong arm us out of the lease early back in January, and live for free a few months .
My partner called me on January 6 th. this year. I am not exaggerating , he was crying, and begged me for help. Big mean nasty female section 8 tenant with 5 kids, and a drug dealing boyfriend living in the house, blew up his phone, non stop , threatened him, and called him white bread cracker motherfvker.
So then I took over, cause he basically threw it in my lap, and said he "was done, can't handle it" . She threatened me, my family , threatened to sue, threatened to turn me in to section 8, said her baby got lead poisioning, called me every racial slur in the book , she even made fun of my sister wife, and my meth lab in the trailer park. If it would not put me on ban island permanently , I would post up our text messages over the last few days, it is classic ghetto.
Long story short, they burnt us for thousands, the utilities are not paid, and the place is in shambles. She wants to move back to New York. I want her to leave.
She is trying to extort her security deposit out of me. They do not have enough money to move. She has threatened me every way possible. The calls started on Thursday. I basically called her bluff, and told her to rot in hell,. but she is a worthy opponent. She knows how to work the system, and says that she will stay till the end of summer, and make my life hell if I don't give in. If I give her her security deposit back, she said she will pack her 5 kids, and her man on the bus, and be gone on Friday.
What would you do? I'm ready to cave, $800.00, and all my problems go away. The German in me wants to tell her to bring it on, but I think that writing the check is probably the safest, end smart choice for the business. It will be far cheaper in the long run.
For the record, the rest of our places, are doing well, with long term tenants, no drama, and the rent is paid. This house was a mistake, and dealing with these people over the last 4 months has taken the wind out of my sails. I don't even know if I have the stomach to rehab it again, and I am going to have to think long and hard about moving forward with this biz, and my partner.

[SeanPizzle]

burn it down. collect insurance. reap benefits.

This story cemented why I won't be investing in rental properties.

[FLYGEEZER]

Never by any house you ain't gonna live in yourself! Problem solved.

[LWJ]

I have been there. I sold most of my placed due to exactly this type of schit. I now have a manager that collects a whopping 8%. It is worth it.

No advice except sever the tenacy. Section 8 can make a great lever as it is difficult to obtain. Perhaps you can use this to your advantage? I had some great section 8 tenants as they know you have them if they lose their entitlement.

Best of luck. Don't take this personal. It can kill you.

Larry

[fastfredracing]

Originally Posted by FLYGEEZER

Never by any house you ain't gonna live in yourself! Problem solved.

My sentiments exactly.

[fastfredracing]

We have other section 8 tenants. They work, they partial pay, they are all nice, cordial, keep the places decent, all our interactions are generally friendly, as far as I am concerned, they can stay forever. This house has been a nightmare. It is not in the ghetto, it is just on a really hilly street, with poor access, and hard to get a decent tenant into. I wish it would burn, but I could not be so lucky . I think if we sold it off, at a loss, we would be ahead of the game. I would at least like to collect enough rent on it to cover our initial investment.

[genrex]

She could take the money and then not move out.

[Seahawk]

What is the bigger financial picture? Meaning, is the place already trashed, how much to rehab it, length of payback based on finding another renter, is it likely to only attract undesirable tenants, etc.

Have you talked to the Section 8 administrators in your area?

[ForBell]

Originally Posted by FLYGEEZER

Never by any house you ain't gonna live in yourself! Problem solved.

I just heard this on a radio program the other day.
Could you put the $$$ into some escrow acct. - she gets paid after she moves out?

[fastfredracing]

Originally Posted by genrex

She could take the money and then not move out.

I have thought of this, and I will not pay, until I have been at the house, seen that they are gone, and was going to have my partner give them their check,at the bus station, while I am back at the place changing the locks, and locking the place down like fort knox. Gawd I hate this biz.

[Evans, Marv]

Fred. Document, document, document! I really hope you've learned that and have been doing it from the time you saw problems coming. Contact this POS's case worker & keep them informed and involved with what's going on along with your intentions to get them out - and for what obvious reasons. If you give them the $800, they will probably not leave and try to extort more from you since you caved on that & your partner obviously couldn't deal with them before. Having worked with the welfare system for some time before I retired and having rental property, I vowed to never rent to anyone connected in any way with the welfare system. I did rent to one person who snuck in without me knowing she was on welfare and of course, had huge problems with her. Some landlords specialize in Section 8, but I wouldn't touch it. Good luck.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by fastfredracing

We have other section 8 tenants. They work, they partial pay, they are all nice, cordial, keep the places decent, all our interactions are generally friendly, as far as I am concerned, they can stay forever. This house has been a nightmare. It is not in the ghetto, it is just on a really hilly street, with poor access, and hard to get a decent tenant into. I wish it would burn, but I could not be so lucky . I think if we sold it off, at a loss, we would be ahead of the game. I would at least like to collect enough rent on it to cover our initial investment.

There's your answer. Man, I am so happy that I am no longer a landlord...

[J P Stein]

Originally Posted by fastfredracing

I have thought of this, and I will not pay, until I have been at the house, seen that they are gone, and was going to have my partner give them their check,at the bus station, while I am back at the place changing the locks, and locking the place down like fort knox. Gawd I hate this biz.

You ain't gonna get out of this without some pain.
Your plan is a decent one.....maybe some "seed money" to get them to the bus station....couple hundred cash or so.

BTW, there were some better options till you went public.

[GG Allin]

I thought section 8 rent payments came straight from the Gov't?

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv

Fred. Document, document, document! Having worked with the welfare system for some time before I retired and having rental property, I vowed to never rent to anyone connected in any way with the welfare system. I did rent to one person who snuck in without me knowing she was on welfare and of course, had huge problems with her. Some landlords specialize in Section 8, but I wouldn't touch it. Good luck.

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[Jferr006]

I agree, if you pay her off she'll probably take the money and not move out.

Sell it at a loss and force them out.

[quicksix]

Meet her at the bus station with the extortion money.
While you are doing that have your partner at the house changing locks.
For sale sign.
New partner.

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

This is a comment on Liberalism!

Section 8 subsidizes *****ty slumlords.

[fastfredracing]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

I thought section 8 rent payments came straight from the Gov't?

They do, but it is all a case to case basis, depending on how many kids the tenants, have , and do they work, any other assistance programs. ?? size of the house etc.... You never know the exact figure of what you are going to get paid, until section 8 comes back at you with their final determination.
Most of our places, have part time working moms, with two , or three kids. We like big houses with 5 bedrooms, this scenario pays the best, and we usually find them easy to deal with.

Most or our places get say 850 ish,. with section 8 paying out 650 ish, and we have to collect the other 200 from the tenants. Even if we get burned, on their monthly cut, we are still in the green.. Oh, and the check is never late, direct deposit in our account on the 1st of every month. I have had a tenant go to jail, and serve out the last 4 months of her lease, but the check still came every month. I am not a slumlord. We had fun fixing up these old city places, and our first 3 are kind of cool old big brick Pgh CIty houses, with old woodwork ,high ceilings, and lots of character. Then we bought one that is small, but in Nice neighborhood, and made it real nice. I would live there( if I did not despise the city) . We really only throw a fluff and a buff on them, but they are decent places. This house, however, makes me feel like a slumlord. I hate it, and want no more parts of it.

[varmint]

greyhound tickets for the whole family to los angeles.