Originally Posted by porwolf (Post 7544991)

There is no evidence that young Martin was folllowing rogue "neighborhood watchman" Zimmerman. That is Z's self serving story and it does not make sense. Z obviously was following Martin and confront him. That is what makes sense, period.

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 7544976)

If he wants to win in court he does.

I don't understand the love for a guy that got out of his car, accosted someone, and then killed that person.

We'll see folks being Zimmerman'ed a lot if he gets off.

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr (Post 7544983)

This is exactly why the Police told him "we dont need you to follow him" Zimmerman assumed somewhat of an authoritative, security type position as the neighborhood watch, which are specifically NOT to follow or engage by the way. He had an extra duty to go out of his way in order to effectively communicate who he was and what his intentions were if he happened to run into Martin. (again, had he followed police instructions this would not have happened) Not only did he lack basic self defense training, he also lacked basic conflict resolution training and overall interpersonal communication. The reality is that Zimmerman was an untrained citizen armed with a loaded gun attempting to play law enforcement. Due to his lack of training and poor judgment he put himself in a situation that ultimately claimed the life of an innocent person. I have a hard time seeing that he can bear no responsibility in this.

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 7544976)

If he wants to win in court he does.

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 7545027)

Here's part of the relevant statute:

"However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or..."

Notice it doesn't say that harm must occur, only that the person believes that it will. How many times would your head need to be bounced off the concrete before you started worrying that great bodily harm was in your future? 1? 3? 37?

JR

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 7545020)

Don't love him, don't even know him. Just hate to see n innocent man railroaded for political purposes.

I get out of my car all the time; so does my wife...it could have been one of us. You expect a beating for getting out of your car?

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 7545053)

Zimmerman: hey, you. what are you doing here?

Martin: F'you.

Zimmerman: Stop right there.

Martin: F'you

Zimmerman: You aren't going anywhere. Grabs Martin.

and so on.

You see, Zimmerman said, "These a-holes always get away."

Occam's Razor: Zimmerman wasn't going to let that happen. Case closed.

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 7545038)

there has to be an actual threat, not a made up one. You do want to win, right?

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 7545054)

Still don't understand the fascination in Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle. Seems normal to me. Do it all the time. I also don't see why it matters if Zimmerman's head was beat against concrete or the hard ground. It is dangerous and hurts either way.

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 7544976)

...I don't understand the love for a guy that got out of his car, accosted someone, and then killed that person.

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 7545058)

Read a few law texts. You don't seem to grasp even the basic concepts here...

Maybe staying in a few Holiday Inns would help. That's where I studied law.

JR

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 7545054)

Still don't understand the fascination in Zimmerman getting out of his vehicle. Seems normal to me. Do it all the time. I also don't see why it matters if Zimmerman's head was beat against concrete or the hard ground. It is dangerous and hurts either way.

Originally Posted by cockerpunk (Post 7545061)

you get out of your car and confront kids at night all the time?

:confused::confused::confused:

you are more ****ed up then i thought finny

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 7545080)

Yes. In my neighborhood...I get put and talk to whomever I choose. I have no fear of being attacked. I assume Zimmerman did not expect to be either.

Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 7545026)

Everything Zimmerman did was legal per all evidence presented. The only one who was not innocent was the one who assaulted the other. Evidence indicates that was Martin.