I was merely trying to make a point that when you are somewhere that immediate medical assistance isn't possible, that you should render some sort of aid if at all possible. And when I was talking about backpacking, I was including coming across someone that I don't know.


Clearly you shouldn't get anywhere that there isn't professional help nearby, and you should probably carry one of those help I've fallen beepers... Because you don't seem to think anyone would come to your aide out of the goodness of their own heart...

You are probably the type of guy that would refuse care because I'm not a doc, so we'd have to wait till your dumbass passes out to administer care....

Precisely Dennis. I try to get as much training as I can in anything I'm doing. I never want to be in a situation where I have to watch a fellow man die because I wasn't able to at least attempt to help. As soon as I learned to dive I went on for my rescue cert, so I would know how to get someone out of danger and administer oxygen etc.

I have a friend that was a marshal at an F1 race a few years ago. His prior experience? Absolutely zero. Never even been to an F1 race. Never had any sort of experience or training at any level of motorsports, including amatuer club racing. You think he received any significant training or instruction that weekend? Nahhhhh.....

And that's the big time....

JR

This is one of the things that makes you a fine young man, Sid.

The 89 911 guy is a fine example of what is wrong with this country.

In July, I was on a walk at Amphetrite Point near Ucluelet, BC with my 3 year old boy. On the trail, I came across a hysteric lady lamenting how they were going to get an ambulance down there... I asked her what they needed an ambulance for and she tod me that her husband broke fell off a rock and broke his ankle. I found out where this happened and ran over there.

I have EMR training but not the certification (the training is the same for AFA level2 here in Alberta which is basically a work place medic).

I provided first response care for this guy who had the bottom of his tibia sticking out the side of his ankle and his foot hanging on... I had no jump kit soreally all i could do was keep him warm, gather past history and assess vitals. When the ambulance finally arrived (about 30 minutes), I assisted with the air splints and got him onto the scoop and onto the stretcher and into the bus. I gave him my jacket to keep warm (shock).

Anyway, a mystery package arrived at work last week. It was my jacket and a Thank You card. He is expected to make a full recovery in a few months.

Crappy things can happen in remote places, not every town has a hospital, and you have 4 minutes to get air into the blood stream or you risk permanent brain damage. I couldn't imagine not jumping in to assist in a car accident or other incident involving injuries.

good to see some proactive common-sense in this thread. for work I renew my quals annually for first aid. Its not much but i make it a point to teach my girlfriend and my folks anything new that I pick up.

The thing with that incident is that trained first aiders weren't the first thing required. What was required was muscle to assist/get them out, push the car upright or otherwise stop the driver in the LHD side from potentially drowning.

They show a great 1970s UK video at most most rallys Ive done, and it preaches that people die in these situations from three things.

Cant breathe- clear airway (obvious in this case)
Bleed out- stop bleeding. Shove something, anything, in the wound to stop/slow blood loss.
Breathing/heart stopped. More difficult- CPR required.

Leave the screamers and attend to the quiet ones first.

But there is lots a willing bystander can do to assist before help arrives.

The reason I asked is, I was wondering if pushing in the clutch was even an option. As pointed out earlier in the thread and on the team's website the car has a water cooled 3.4 liter engine and a sequential gear box. I doubt this car left the factory as a real RSR.