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RWebb 12-28-2013 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by imcarthur (Post 7826262)
The perfect Ferrari imho. The look. The noise. I have yet to ride in one but I had a long talk with Newman of fchat fame at a gathering when he brought his red one.

Ian

on a price adjusted basis?

I don't see how you can compare it to a GTB, NART, 330TC, or others (??)

even a Dino (the Fiat of Ferraris)

imcarthur 12-28-2013 12:51 PM

Based on no basis, just my gut. If someone tossed me a couple of hundred grand & said: "Go buy yourself a Ferrari", I would come home with a restored Boxer.

Ian

RWebb 12-28-2013 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by imcarthur (Post 7827507)
Based on no basis, just my gut. If someone tossed me a couple of hundred grand & said: "Go buy yourself a Ferrari", I would come home with a restored Boxer.

Ian


I guess I'd have to agree if you are limited to cheap ones :D

126coupe 12-28-2013 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by imcarthur (Post 7827507)
Based on no basis, just my gut. If someone tossed me a couple of hundred grand & said: "Go buy yourself a Ferrari", I would come home with a restored Boxer.

Ian

Now that's funny

scottmandue 12-28-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 7818746)
Rich man problems in this thread.

You are so mean!

You just don't understand!

I had to service the Lear (stupid FAA)...

Now I can't afford a tune up on the Ferrari! (until my next trust fund deposit)...

I will need to console myself by stepping out the back-door and taking a walk on the beach.

Guess I will have to take the Jag out for sushi tonight (shudder)...

Ferraripete 12-28-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Heel n Toe (Post 7826733)
Thanks for posting photos of your Boxer. One of my all-time favorite cars. I've never seen one in the flesh, but I see that you're probably at least part time in Charlotte, so maybe we can cross paths some day.

Just showing some "Boxer ignorance" here... what is the purpose of that extra tail light outboard of the exhaust?

yes, would love to meet this spring! I have had a few pelicans over to see and ride in the cars. I love talking about porsches and Ferraris! I am in the lake norman area.

DonDavis 01-02-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 7826439)
When did we meet? :confused:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/130955-mulholland-oct-18th-8.html

Hard to believe it's been more than 10 years.

Don Ro 01-02-2014 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 7827674)
You are so mean!

You just don't understand!

I had to service the Lear (stupid FAA)...

Now I can't afford a tune up on the Ferrari! (until my next trust fund deposit)...

I will need to console myself by stepping out the back-door and taking a walk on the beach.

Guess I will have to take the Jag out for sushi tonight (shudder)...

.
So upset, you were, that you tossed your martini across the lawn of the guest house.

:)

Nostril Cheese 01-02-2014 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Ro (Post 7836329)
.
So upset, you were, that you tossed your martini across the lawn of the guest house.

:)

Right now, Im having the help massage my check writing fingers. The rage I feel is immense.

Tervuren 01-02-2014 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferraripete (Post 7826101)
parts for the boxer are still largely avail but at a huge price. windscreens are not avail anymore and if you can find one you are looking at close to $10k.

the boxers are leaving the ranks of cheap and are fast moving to $200k for the 512's and the 365 is well beyond $300k for clean cars.

tervren has ridden in mine...I think he enjoyed the car!

pcb

They left the range of cheap 5+ years ago, hit a massive peak, bit of a slide of late, but a slide down to 2x+ the selling prices I was seeing several years ago. $60-70K vs $150-300K. As the car's age, condition is making a bigger price gap between examples. Inflation is probably driving it up quite a bit.

I think similar to Embraer's 355, one of the big draws of a BB, is the fantastic sound they can make. This is something that sets most Ferrari's in a world of their own vs other cars.

This is some pics of Pete's I have lying around.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388719048.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388719065.jpg

This is a diff BB, you can see how not everything on a BB is quite "perfect". To me, it looks sculpted, not stamped, one of the reasons I like the car.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1388719534.jpg

Rick Lee 01-02-2014 06:33 PM

I got to drive a buddy's BB a while back and, as much of a thrill as it was, it was not easy to drive. The clutch almost wore me out. But what a gorgeous car and sound.

http://www.fototime.com/71D5C2C3398D470/standard.jpg

4SFED 01-04-2014 08:09 PM

Certainly a MAN'S Ferrari... "hard to drive" is attractive to me. It gives me more satisfaction than a new Ferrari (or any new car for that matter). It's more rewarding. :)

Bill Douglas 01-04-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 7836691)
The clutch almost wore me out.


Yup, if I get one it will be the auto with coffee cup holders.





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gearya 01-06-2014 03:40 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/automobiles/a-sleeping-beauty-of-ferraris.html?hpw&rref=automobiles

kiwiokie 01-06-2014 04:10 PM

$2million estimate from the auction house for a car that needs everything. Unbelievable.

sammyg2 12-31-2016 12:28 PM

Wow.

sugarwood 12-31-2016 01:03 PM

Looks like 355's are $80k cars now.
So much for the depreciation argument!

asphaltgambler 12-31-2016 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by imcarthur (Post 7827507)
Based on no basis, just my gut. If someone tossed me a couple of hundred grand & said: "Go buy yourself a Ferrari", I would come home with a restored Boxer.

Ian

For me it would be a well set-up 944😀

speeder 12-31-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 9415255)
Looks like 355's are $80k cars now.
So much for the depreciation argument!

Yeah, that one didn't pan out like he predicted. I'd forgotten about this thread completely, what a waste of time. I did not remember getting into it w him, I just don't retain these internet dust-ups. They're meaningless to me.

I'm still saddened by what happened to him. :(

sc_rufctr 01-01-2017 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 7819054)
Ferrari has built some dog's-ass cars, IMO. But perceptions change a lot over the years, I remember when a Lusso was considered "the Buick of Ferraris". Now it's one of the most coveted, (and valuable), models.

The Modial is a pig, again IMO. They were usually driven by eurotrash middle-aged dudes in Beverly Hills with nose hair combed over to the side.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483280584.jpg

cairns 01-01-2017 05:52 AM

A 355 isn't schit. A 348 or Mondial OTOH......

Fast Freddy 944 01-01-2017 07:17 AM

Don't be hatin'!;)http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483287378.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483287468.jpg;)

sugarwood 01-01-2017 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 9415456)

I'm still saddened by what happened to him. :(

What happened to who?

Noah930 01-01-2017 09:16 AM

^^^The guy, Mark, who started this thread, died.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/940653-rip-126coupe.html

Macroni 01-01-2017 10:11 AM

Boy..... this was much ado about nothing......

tabs 01-01-2017 10:26 AM

Do Ferraris come with a box of tissues so that you can wipe the tears away when you are writing the checks for repairs and maintainence.

speeder 01-01-2017 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 9415959)
Do Ferraris come with a box of tissues so that you can wipe the tears away when you are writing the checks for repairs and maintainence.

Let me introduce you to English language punctuation. We'll start slow, this is the question mark: ????? :)

pwd72s 01-01-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 9415964)
Let me introduce you to English language punctuation. We'll start slow, this is the question mark: ????? :)

I see you are filled with your usual compassion and respect for your fellow man.

Corvus Corvax 01-01-2017 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 9415985)
I see you are filled with your usual compassion and respect for your fellow man.

Coming from you, that's pretty funny. I actually laughed out loud.

WPOZZZ 01-01-2017 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cairns (Post 9415717)
A 355 isn't schit. A 348 or Mondial OTOH......

Ouch! I like 348s.

Heel n Toe 01-01-2017 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 126coupe (Post 7818924)

Yikes. I'm not feeling much love for the placement of that front plate.

Maybe in 20 below temps in North Dakota for a quick run into town for groceries... but what was the owner thinking?

(I know this is p. 1 material and that's a European plate... just now saw the post.)

72doug2,2S 01-05-2017 12:08 PM

Driving an early 70's 365 Daytona was one of the highlights of driving several older Ferrari cars, but it made me appreciate my '72 911 all the more. The Dino is still on my list.

ErVikingo 01-05-2017 01:25 PM

I remember stepping into the local dealership to get a brand new Maranello. Had everything I wanted, right color, chairs (Ferrari speak for seats) and number of cylinders.

Then, my friend (who has owned 11 of them since I've known him) says "before you sign the slip, are you ready to set aside a minimum of US$1/mile for service? That is the minimum a Ferrari will cost not considering tires, regular services, etc".

I went to the Lexus dealership got me a GS400 and bought another 1969 911S instead.

If you think of it, US$1 is the bare minimum since each 15K mile service used to be US$15K.

YMMV

sc_rufctr 01-05-2017 01:28 PM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483655306.jpg

Tervuren 01-05-2017 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ErVikingo (Post 9421281)
I remember stepping into the local dealership to get a brand new Maranello. Had everything I wanted, right color, chairs (Ferrari speak for seats) and number of cylinders.

Then, my friend (who has owned 11 of them since I've known him) says "before you sign the slip, are you ready to set aside a minimum of US$1/mile for service? That is the minimum a Ferrari will cost not considering tires, regular services, etc".

I went to the Lexus dealership got me a GS400 and bought another 1969 911S instead.

If you think of it, US$1 is the bare minimum since each 15K mile service used to be US$15K.

YMMV

$.50/mile is I think the normal that the government allows for deductions when it comes to travel taxes, so the Ferrari is only 200% of the government allowed normal.

I also think if driven regularly, the service schedule on quite a few things would change to lower per mile.

Then there is the fact you could sell that 550 today, for about what it cost brand new. Not many cars can do that. A Ferrari though, needs to be something you buy when you are in a place where if it disappeared into nothingness, life would move on.

javadog 01-05-2017 03:30 PM

If your friend was paying $15k for a service, he was paying too much. Most people don't put 15k miles on them between majors, so it's probably a wash.

I've owned many cars where depreciation was much higher than a buck a mile, so that doesn't really phase me.

JR

sammyg2 01-05-2017 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 9421493)
$.50/mile is I think the normal that the government allows for deductions when it comes to travel taxes, so the Ferrari is only 200% of the government allowed normal.

I also think if driven regularly, the service schedule on quite a few things would change to lower per mile.

Then there is the fact you could sell that 550 today, for about what it cost brand new. Not many cars can do that. A Ferrari though, needs to be something you buy when you are in a place where if it disappeared into nothingness, life would move on.

That gubmint number takes into account all costs including purchase, depreciation, operation, insurance, maintenance etc.

The number suggested for the ferrrrrari is 50 cents per mile for just maintenance. And the maintenance schedule is based on miles so I don't see driving more miles as bringing the cost down much.

If they made them better instead of making them fragile, that cost would go down.
How many ferraris do you see being used as daily drivers with more than 100k miles on them?
200k miles?
300k miles?

NONE!

They'd turn to dust long before that.
A ferrrrari with 50k miles on it is often considered a high mileage vehicle, not worth as much because it's nearly used up. Due for full restoration.

But we see Porsches lasting that long all the time.

That's because Porsches are designed using LOGIC instead of EMOTION.

I could afford to buy almost any ferrari out there, but I never would because I would consider that a dumb and irresponsible move. YMMV

motion 01-05-2017 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 9421529)
I could afford to buy almost any ferrari out there, but I never would because I would consider that a dumb and irresponsible move. YMMV

A friend who owned an Enzo tried to tell me that I should buy an Enzo NOW. I didn't listen to him. They were around 800K at the time. They are now 3.5m on up.

72doug2,2S 01-05-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S (Post 9421183)
Driving an early 70's 365 Daytona was one of the highlights of driving several older Ferrari cars, but it made me appreciate my '72 911 all the more. The Dino is still on my list.

I drove this one from a 2011 event to it's home at 10 PM in the rain for 6 glorious miles. I don't seriously want to own one, but I love driving other peoples.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483670361.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483670392.jpg

Ferraripete 01-05-2017 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 4SFED (Post 7825214)
Always wanted a 512BBi... maybe one day.... But they are just like the early 911's. Parts costs are high, but they are easy to work on in the garage. I've been a member of Ferrari Life for many years and there are some great people there to help with DIY. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72doug2,2S (Post 9421672)
I drove this one from a 2011 event to it's home at 10 PM in the rain for 6 glorious miles. I don't seriously want to own one, but I love driving other peoples.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483670361.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483670392.jpg

that is a beauty!


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