My friend drives them daily and that was my plan. One of my 911's has over 150K miles, still ticking!

Now, I was not talking about depreciation, just service costs.

Want depreciation, get an Aston, RR, 7 Series, etc. Talk about a steep incline. The CPA in me says, those are cars to buy used.

Ehh, the thing about the Aston Martin, is if you plan to own it long term, depreciation doesn't matter. I can see keeping an Aston long term, vs a 7 series BMW as a trendy must have new and dispose when the next model comes out sort of car.

If I bought an Aston Martin new, I'd not be selling it in a time frame to make depreciation matter at all. I also trust a new Aston Martin a lot more than a used one that might not of been taken care of. Aston Martin's still have character, and a knowledgeable owner might get some of that "character" sorted under warranty if they see it in time. A used one, you are on your own.

The real depreciation killer in my mind would have to be a turn of millennium Porsche.

I have to admit, the only real reason I would want an Aston, is its a bit of rarity as a large luxury sports GT with a manual gearbox. The bill for work on a hand built car with a V12(used DB9) is not yet something I think I could handle.

I would however, think a DB9 or 911 are more likely for me to own than a Ferrari. I used to really want a Ferrari until I started working on my 944's, it changed the way I look at a Ferrari's build quality entirely.

Modern ones do not have quite the soul, even though the build quality is much improved. I still stand by my earlier post in this thread years ago, favorite Ferrari is the 512BB. My second would be the blue 250 GT Lusso that makes a lot of rounds in pictures and shows.(Its in this thread.) Post 60's, I also like the 308 GT4, 550, and 348.

Astons are like tailored suits...I don't know if you can say the same about BMW.

Agree a 7 is not in the same planet as an AM. Just thinking of depreciation.

I will have an Aston at some point.

I had one of the cheapest to buy and most expensive to maintain Ferrari's, a 1981 400I with a 5-speed.
It was the best road car I owned.
I loved it, but the maintenance was a deal killer. I did the work and it was not easy to work on and the parts were big$$ a OEM chain guide was $700 a after market one was $250. 911 ones are $8.00.
Every 40,000 mile you should "service" the engine, which included new timing chains and guides, valve guides ( yes they were shot at that mileage). Because the engine had to be removed and the oil pan to service the water pump, that became one of the many "while you are in there"http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483840841.jpg
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^^ Beautiful garage, ficke.

Thanks Noah.
When I sold it I bought a 930, like coming home, the Porsche.
My car hobby has been series of trying a Marque then buying a Porsche, try another Marque, buy a Porsche, on and on.
After many years and having tried many cars, I came to the conclusion that I really like Porsche's and I do not want to be with out one.
I will not sell my Porsches now to try another Marque.
One more thing on the Ferrari, a friend who was has considerably more means than I ( I have been a Mechanic for most of my working life) said after driving my car " I really like your Ferrari, I just can not afford to own one"
That is when I decided to stop the bleeding and sell it, it was Like a high maintence girl friend, fun but you pay and pay.

Thanks for sharing your 400i experiences Ficke.
I've been very enamored with the 400/412 models since the '80s and always wondered about ownership.
I highly doubt I will ever own one but always enjoy reading about the owners and their experiences.

Since I bought my 930 12 years it has been reliable and fun...so hard to fault..if near impossible.

I'll dare to get flamed...

I share the sentiment of this thread with my '78 911... The car was very inexpensive to purchase 6 years ago and now needs a full engine rebuild and can use a trans refresh... If I have someone perform the work it will cost beyond the cars worth. If I do it, it's still exorbitantly expensive considering what you're getting for the $ and theres an eement for real error as it would be my first attempt.

I try to tell myself I must retain the car bc someday I'l be able to fix it and its such a prized auto...but I can't seem to raise my disposable income faster than the costs rise

Slow&rusty, The 400I was a great car, very usable, back seats, good sized trunk. It really was one of the best road cars I had, if not the best, very strong and good windshield wipers, two heaters that would keep all glass perfectly clear.
The car weighed 4,600 pounds, got 14MPG on the highway and a lot less in the city, held 17 quarts of oil and it was a wet sump engine!
The power was very nice ,liner, and turbine smooth.
I put over 20,000miles on that car in all kinds of weather.
I would still rather have my 930, which is also great road car with less maintence and more top speed and better handling, I do not like power steering and the 400/412 series cars have power steering and need it because of the weight.
911/930 have the best steering, good road feel with out the heavy effort.
My 930 is my road trip car now and I like it!http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1483886820.jpg

this car seems inexpensive.

https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/cto/5927643268.html

No flaming, Porsches cost a lot more than Subaru's and such to maintain but when compared to a Ferrari they are a bargain, cost is relative.
Porsche's are inexpensive and efficient in the high end sports car world.

Funny, I can not seem to find the mileage of the car in the ad?

just looked too and not there so probably more than most 360s.

Ferrari's get almost unsellable when they have Porsche break in mileage.

If not already posted:

Don't buy A Used Ferrari...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hUyTFSj08U
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Always good to get advice from a pair of idiots.

JR

Have you watched the rest of this idiots videos?

I believe there are a number of "rich kid and I own a super car " vids...

Hell no. I didn't even finish watching the one that Kratch posted. A waste of time...

Hopefully these two will find a mentor that will work with them and get their heads pulled out of their asses while they are still in their formative years.

JR

Why so nasty about two guys counting receipts to make a point?

Well, the point they are making is a little inaccurate, if you know anything about the cars.

Then, there's the whole "drive like a dick through the tunnel" thing.

JR

Actually decent cars. A friend owns one (I'll get some detailed photos of his car and post them here)
The regular belt/engine service is much less expressive because of the removable panel behind the seats.

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I'll take you at your word on that one, as the little I know about them is the sweet noisies they make going through tunnels ;)

Angry old white men have found a new lease on life since the election.

It's in vogue to be insulting and angry all the time, oh and don't forget to grab them by the pussy, that always helps. ;)

I'm not cheering these two in the video on, but there is a point to douche-like process and presentation. That may be a sore point for some, and I understand that.

One of the Ferrari owners I know drives his car once or twice a year he's so fearful of devaluing his "investment" and incurring maintenance costs.

A garage queen is pathetic existence in my opinion, but my rough and tumble car may be disgusting others, so who's to judge? SmileWavy

PARFING a Ferrari thread?

And you haven't got a new lease on life since the election? ;)

Drunken naked lawn dance to follow in a few days SmileWavy

Call me an angry old white man if you want. I'm fine with that. May I call you the village idiot?

Please explain to me the point to a "douche like process and presentation."

Please help me understand, Mr. idiot. I don't know if I can make it through my day, without your help.

JR

Is 70's gen-x old now?lol....guess I'm just not used to an entitled attitude of people that use daddy's money to buy exotics....and then ***** about them... than again, I'm still trying to get used to millennials the workplace...lol...

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCeTagg7gemi1jhFKhY6gcNw

MattR

I started saving up for a Ferrari when I was 15(Aim of purchase in my mid 30's). By the time I was 25 I realized, I really, really, like my 80's Porsche's. My only problem is I don't fit comfortably, something I didn't realize until last year. Getting a larger car got rid of regular back pain.

Custom foamed, or framed + foamed seats will probably be in one of the 944's future. Most of the appeal of a Ferrari is the amazing engine sound. I still wouldn't say I don't want one; just I wouldn't sacrifice anything else in life for a Ferrari. Car's are much more enjoyable, when you can straight up replace it should something bad happen to it. As a teenager, I didn't realize this. As an adult, I realize I should have the amount easily at hand to replace whatever vehicle I'm driving. It takes a lot of stress out of life.

Back to Ferraris. At my age, I view them pretty much like I view the pin up models in the chest thread. Very pretty to look at and nice to fantasize about driving one. But I know damned good and well that any lasting relationship would be more costly than I'm willing to pay. Simply not worth the hassles that are sure to come...

The older 250 - 365 models are actually pretty darn reliable. And parts are available at fairly reasonable prices from non authorized dealers. Once the purchase hurdle is cleared, a DIY person can maintain his own car quite well.

308's are more labor intensive because of access. But upkeep is similar otherwise

You HAVE to drive them, just like other cars. They don't take well to being garage queens

Makes sense to me...if having a Ferrari is important to you, by all means go for it. I do hope you're aware of the total costs.

I merely posted why owning one isn't something I'd care to do.

When I was a kid in the late 80s, there was a husband and wife in my town that daily drove a 951 and 328GTB (both in a similar dark blue and with similar personalized plates). Through sun, rain and heavy snow, I would always see them pass by my neighborhood while on their commutes. I must have seen them consistently for close to 10 years and always thought that was pretty cool.

Those two clowns are hilarious. The video opens with them unboxing and signing posters that they had made of their car and are selling on their website :rolleyes:

Here's their self-proclaimed "origin story" about how the financial crisis really threw him for a loop at age 9 :eek:

https://youtu.be/hef7Bifc67A

I recommend watching at 1.25 or 1.5x speed... I'm just up to the part where he says they make $$ from "managing" stock portfolios for other people and "day trading"...

Then he starts pumping the penny stocks he's invested in...

50 Cent: Penny Stock Pump & Dump? - CBS News

Just clowns who wouldn't exist but for social media and the narcissism it promotes.

Cheers

d.

Kind of an odd answer. A simple "because Jalopnik sucks" would have been more apropos. :rolleyes:

Up in memory of Mark Minkoff.

This was one of his most "entertaining" threads.

RIP Mark.

Yep- RIP Mark
Non Ferrari topic- Mark's competitive vintage racer "911R" is available. A friend bought it and due to health issues can no longer race. So... if you want a competitive well built car, contact me and i will put you in touch with him
Dave

Mark's old 911...

https://youtu.be/q9Tt22j8jwc

And my old F355...

https://youtu.be/aT9Q4UMfu8o

Yes, RIP Mark!

Mike, the F355 (as a TB) is my second fave Ferrari visually. (250GTO takes the cake for me, not because it is a better design, but the look always resonated for me). The F355 is beautiful. Sounds great, fun to drive. But, if you have performed a major service on one you know they are certainly "cottage built". But that is the Italian way, emotion first! (I can say that as I am half Italian, my mother's maiden name even rhymes with Ferrari) Even the F360 (first modern F-car?), though much easier to service, amazing under car aero for the day, is still a cottage built car. F430 onwards they started to figure production out a wee bit better. F458/F488 all getting closer to proper production sports car standards. In fact, not a lot wrong at all with the F458/F488 build wise.

My best friend just ordered an F8, looking forward to getting that on a lift and inspecting all of the details.

From time to time I search for a F355 TB. I think I am the perfect potential owner... - I am an enthusiast, and I have a large Euro shop that can service it! :) And, I would DRIVE it regularly.

Cheers

Yep, my F355 was actually one of the easiest cars I've ever worked on. I did all my own work, which severely cuts the cost of ownership down. Once people understand it's just a car (and a rather crude one, at that)...and not made like the space shuttle, it gets easier to live with. Unfortunately, people who want to buy a used one seem to be only interested in a car only if it was worked on by some guy, who works at a specialized shop, who only used parts that came in a yellow box, etc. Plus...the internet has done a fantastic job of making it easy for anybody to become an expert, qualified to spout off "how bad these cars are."

Btw, I put about 16,000 HARD miles on this car in 4 years. Compression and leakdown were in specs when I sold it. These cars HAVE to be driven.

I plan on buying a salvage 360, with no intention of reselling, and just creating my ultimate thrash car

I just helped a really close friend remove the engine from his 355 as part of the timing belt service. An opportune time to address lots of little things and it was actually fun. The first time I've ever spun wrenches on a Ferrari.