Why I hate Ferrari's

[RWebb]

Are German pots and kettles more reliable than the Italian ones?

Why do people even buy the Italian ones -- are they more exciting to cook with or what?

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by mpeastend

Are the parts for 512 BBi's that Tervuren posted really unavailable/astronomical?

I have to say I agree with him...If I came across one & the price was reasonable, I'd have a hard time saying no. What a beautiful car.

parts for the boxer are still largely avail but at a huge price. windscreens are not avail anymore and if you can find one you are looking at close to $10k.

the boxers are leaving the ranks of cheap and are fast moving to $200k for the 512's and the 365 is well beyond $300k for clean cars.

tervren has ridden in mine...I think he enjoyed the car!

pcb

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by black_falcon

If this is indeed a 365 GT4/BB, that would make it a pretty rare and valuable early Boxer.

this car belongs to a friend of mine. as nice a 365 as you will find and currently valued at well north of $300k.

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by javadog

Boxers have gone up in price, so I don't know if you'd ever find one that was reasonable. Parts are not easy to find for some things, or cheap. Tires are an issue, as they used a couple different wheel types and neither has a good selection of tires available.

Here's the problem with a Boxer... As great as it looks, it drives so-so. Like the Daytona, the looks are better than the driving experience. I pondered this a long time ago and decided to buy a TR instead. The TR appears larger but it is in fact lighter, makes more power, handles better, is more comfortable, has decent A/C, is faster point-to-point, can actually carry luggage and be used on weekend trips and has better visibility. All the little details that make a car enjoyable to drive are much better on the TR.

Yet, the boxer is better looking...

JR

patently incorrect. I have owned my full eurospec boxer for over 11 years and have been to hendrick motorsports race shop and weighed the car next to a tr...my boxer was approx. 200lbs lighter. fact. bb is skinned in aluminum where the tr is steel. that has some bearing.

[GG Allin]

More Ferrari pictures please.

[Ferraripete]

I will say that I am a big fan of the tr and believe it to be a proper Ferrari...one of the last in fact. good tr's are on the rise too and they should not be considered $40-50k cars...really good ones are well north of that and rising.

[GG Allin]

[126coupe]

Originally Posted by speeder

Ass, meet hat.

How about an apology for smearing my reputation on a public forum?
Mistaking facts blatantly.

[GG Allin]

Originally Posted by Ferraripete

this car belongs to a friend of mine. as nice a 365 as you will find and currently valued at well north of $300k.

He has or had a blue one too?

[Ferraripete]

glad to see some love for Ferrari...boxers too! here are some shots of mine.

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

He has or had a blue one too?

blue was sold to buy the yellow. he also has a 512bbi among others.

[GG Allin]

[Embraer]

Originally Posted by 126coupe

How about an apology for smearing my reputation on a public forum?
Mistaking facts blatantly.

deleted. no point in adding fuel to the fire.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Ferraripete

patently incorrect. I have owned my full eurospec boxer for over 11 years and have been to hendrick motorsports race shop and weighed the car next to a tr...my boxer was approx. 200lbs lighter. fact. bb is skinned in aluminum where the tr is steel. that has some bearing.

The TR was probably an American spec car. More than a few pounds heavier than a Euro version. The exhaust alone weighs a zillion pounds. Four cats, big honking muffler, thermocouples, pipes out the wazzoo. I had Ferrari of San Francisco yank mine in favor of something less legal and it was shipped to me in a wooden crate big enough for a homeless couple to call home.

The TR is aluminum as well; they just used steel for the roof skin and doors, for safety.

Regardless, a Boxer was more a piece of art, still with individual differences from one example to the next in the manner of the Ferraris of the past, and a TR was what I think was the first really modern car Ferrari had built, built in large numbers and mostly the same from one to the next.

JR

[DonDavis]

I've watched this thread from the first day. I should prob get my 10 foot pole and continue "not touching" this thread, but I can't help myself.

From the beginning, Mark expressed admiration for older F-cars. His first statement, actually. Go back and look. It's not edited. Then he ripped on some newer stuff.
So what? Big deal.

Then Mike chimed in with counter-point. All good stuff, IMO.

speeder is just pissing on this thread like he does quite often. Yes, Denis, I said it. You're either carrying over some issue from other threads toward Mark, or you're just being a "deeck" ( to borrow some or your vernacular ). Chill out, bro. You're sounding a lot like a bully and I know you ( a little ) shook your hand, traded PM over the years and generally enjoy your input.

I've met Mark and shook his hand, too. Good dude with a square head on his shoulders.

I'm certain ( without a doubt ) I'd enjoy any day wrenching with anyone on this thread. I want to visit Mark's man-cave and tinker.

I'd like to meet Mike and poke around his 355, do some maintenance on his rig and go for a ride.

Then I'd like to putz around with Denis on a W123 diesel.


Can't we just sit back and take other's opinions for what they are... opinions. Not attacks, fer chrissakes ( another Denis-ism )

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by javadog

The TR was probably an American spec car. More than a few pounds heavier than a Euro version. The exhaust alone weighs a zillion pounds. Four cats, big honking muffler, thermocouples, pipes out the wazzoo. I had Ferrari of San Francisco yank mine in favor of something less legal and it was shipped to me in a wooden crate big enough for a homeless couple to call home.

The TR is aluminum as well; they just used steel for the roof skin and doors, for safety.

Regardless, a Boxer was more a piece of art, still with individual differences from one example to the next in the manner of the Ferraris of the past, and a TR was what I think was the first really modern car Ferrari had built, built in large numbers and mostly the same from one to the next.

JR

true. the boxer was THE LAST hand build Ferrari w/ the bodies being hammered in the scaglietti carrozeria. as a hand made machine, no two boxer clamshells are alike...I guess that is part of the charm of owning a hand made car

[javadog]

There's plenty to like about a Boxer. I just wouldn't want to have to keep looking for the parts nobody has. Sooner or later, everybody loses that lottery and has to break out the wallet.

FWIW, I think Ferrari listed the difference in weight between a Euro and US TR at 340 pounds. No, that is not a typo...

JR

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by javadog

There's plenty to like about a Boxer. I just wouldn't want to have to keep looking for the parts nobody has. Sooner or later, everybody loses that lottery and has to break out the wallet.

FWIW, I think Ferrari listed the difference in weight between a Euro and US TR at 340 pounds. No, that is not a typo...

JR

if you look at the pictures I posted of my car you will note the euro sport headers and ansa sport exhaust. two small resonators and that is it! the euro boxer also has no door beams and front or rear bumper supports...not a car you would want to be in a crash in but it made for a much lighter package that those that were federalized.

[javadog]

Yeah, I know. I figured yours was not a converted car, so comparing its weight against a US TR was going to be a little too much apples to oranges. I'd wager that there's more than a few legalized Boxers that have been converted back. And that's the way they all should have been. Adding the crash/safety crap was pointless on any limited production car. If you crashed a Boxer, it wasn't going to be a little love tap in the parking lot. My LP400 had exactly zero crash protection and your feet were not very far from the scene of the crash, should you be so foolish as to wad one up.

JR

[Ferraripete]

Originally Posted by javadog

Yeah, I know. I figured yours was not a converted car, so comparing its weight against a US TR was going to be a little too much apples to oranges. I'd wager that there's more than a few legalized Boxers that have been converted back. And that's the way they all should have been. Adding the crash/safety crap was pointless on any limited production car. If you crashed a Boxer, it wasn't going to be a little love tap in the parking lot. My LP400 had exactly zero crash protection and your feet were not very far from the scene of the crash, should you be so foolish as to wad one up.

JR

my car was initially federalized by dick fritz @ amerispec. after passing epa and dot, the car was sent back to sport auto in bastiglia where Roberto villa brought the car back to full euro trim.

and by the way the lp400 was and remains one of the great and important sportscars of all time...bar none!!!!