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How To Keep Track Of Passwords?

I'm drowning in account logins and passwords. There must be forty or fifty of the damn things in my life. Some are not terribly sensitive, others are financial accounts or otherwise quite sensitive.

How do you (1) keep track of all the logins and passwords, (2) keep a backup of that information, (3) keep all of that very secure or as secure as it needs to be?

So far I have been storing them in Contacts on the iPhone with a sort of self-made code but that is a royal PITA, I'm afraid I will forget the code, and my iPhone could be stolen/lost and any moment.

I would like an iPhone based solution, since that device is always with me. Ideally there would be a copy somewhere on the web, so if my iPhone is lost I could still get at the info.

I should add that I use Macs at home (thought I'd mention this since some password managers are Windows only), and that I am not worried about the NSA being able to hack my passwords . . .

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Also, do you use a few passwords for all accounts, or generate a unique password for each account? Do you make them something that you can remember, or are they random sequences? Which types of accounts get the max security and which get the "password" password?
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Not sure if this is a good idea or not, but I use an Excel spreadsheet with a password on it. I store it in my cloud so I can access it from anywhere (phone, tablet, any computer w/ internet connection). Has worked well for years. Since it's on the cloud my wife or I can update any password changes at anytime since it's a central document accessible from anywhere. While this is probably not 100% secure it's better than most other options that I have found.

Anyone use a password service? I know these are out there, I have heard many are a scam. Experiences??
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I'm also leery of using a third-party service, since they then have my logins and passwords. That skepticism extends to the iPhone password apps.
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Lstpass. Change the primary LP frequently. Only one to remember.
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Keep mine in my head.

You could just write them on an index card and stow it somewhere secure.
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I store them in keepass program on a thumb drive. Mostly as a backup in case I forget them. http://keepass.info/
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I have a system

3 levels of passwords, 2 passwords with variations on the domain/site it is used on

Level 1 - "Darn, they want me to have a username and password for some reason"

Level 2 - "Sure would like to keep this to myself"

Level 3 - Things that grant real access - my root accounts, my linux user accounts, mail, bank, etc

The something easy to remember but complex "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on pelicanparts may be MHADALLpelican

Even if I've not used an account in a while, a few moments of thought lets me in
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Here is a thought. Some reading suggests that when I enter a passcode on the iPhone, all data on the phone is encrypted and backups are encrypted as well, with very strong encryption. So, maybe I can simply keep all my passwords in a plain text document on the iPhone, since I password protect it. Sounds too easy?!
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NSA researches way to crack most computer encryption | Union-Bulletin

WASHINGTON — In room-size metal boxes, secure against electromagnetic leaks, the National Security Agency is racing to build a computer that could break nearly every kind of encryption used to protect banking, medical, business and government records around the world.

According to documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, the effort to build “a cryptologically useful quantum computer” — a machine exponentially faster than classical computers — is part of a $79.7 million research program titled, “Penetrating Hard Targets.”

Much of the work is hosted under classified contracts at a laboratory in College Park, Md.

The development of a quantum computer has long been a goal of many in the scientific community, with revolutionary implications for fields like medicine as well as for the NSA’s code-breaking mission.

With such technology, all forms of public key encryption would be broken, including those used on many secure websites as well as the type used to protect state secrets.

Physicists and computer scientists have long speculated whether the NSA’s efforts are more advanced than those of the best civilian labs. Although the full extent of the agency’s research remains unknown, the documents provided by Snowden suggest the NSA is no closer to success than others in the scientific community.

“It seems improbable that the NSA could be that far ahead of the open world without anybody knowing it,” said Scott Aaronson, an associate professor of electrical engineering and computer science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

The NSA appears to regard itself as running neck-and-neck with quantum computing labs sponsored by the European Union and the Swiss government, with steady progress but little prospect of an immediate breakthrough.

“The geographic scope has narrowed from a global effort to a discrete focus on the European Union and Switzerland,” one NSA document states.

Seth Lloyd, professor of quantum mechanical engineering at MIT, said the NSA’s focus is not misplaced.

“The E.U. and Switzerland have made significant advances over the last decade and have caught up to the U.S. in quantum computing technology,” he said.

The NSA declined to comment for this story.

The documents, however, indicate the agency carries out some of its research in large, shielded rooms known as Faraday cages, which are designed to prevent electromagnetic energy from coming in or out. Those, according to one brief description, are required “to keep delicate quantum computing experiments running.”

The basic principle underlying quantum computing is known as “quantum superposition,” the idea that an object simultaneously exists in all states. A classical computer uses binary bits, which are either zeros or ones. A quantum computer uses quantum bits, or qubits, which are simultaneously zero and one.

This seeming impossibility is part of the mystery that lies at the heart of quantum theory, which even theoretical physicists say no one completely understands.

“If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics,” said the late Nobel laureate Richard Feynman, who is widely regarded as a pioneer in quantum computing.

Here’s how it works, in theory: While a classical computer, however fast, must do one calculation at a time, a quantum computer can sometimes avoid having to make calculations that are unnecessary to solving a problem. That allows it to home in on the correct answer much more quickly and efficiently.

Quantum computing is so difficult to attain because of the fragile nature of such computers. In theory, the building blocks of such a computer might include individual atoms, photons or electrons.

To maintain the quantum nature of the computer, these particles would need to be carefully isolated from their external environments.

“Quantum computers are extremely delicate, so if you don’t protect them from their environment, then the computation will be useless,” said Daniel Lidar, a professor of electrical engineering and the director of the Center for Quantum Information Science and Technology at the University of Southern California.

A working quantum computer would open the door to easily breaking the strongest encryption tools in use today, including a standard known as RSA, named for the initials of its creators. RSA scrambles communications, making them unreadable to anyone but the intended recipient, without requiring the use of a shared password. It is commonly used in Web browsers to secure financial transactions and in encrypted emails.

RSA is used because of the difficulty of factoring the product of two large prime numbers. Breaking the encryption involves finding those two numbers. This cannot be done in a reasonable amount of time on a classical computer.

In 2009, computer scientists using classical methods were able to discover the primes within a 768-bit number, but it took almost two years and hundreds of computers to factor it.

The scientists estimated it would take 1,000 times longer to break a 1,024-bit encryption key, which is commonly used for online transactions.

A large-scale quantum computer, however, could theoretically break a 1,024-bit encryption much faster. Some leading Internet companies are moving to 2,048-bit keys, but even those are thought to be vulnerable to rapid decryption with a quantum computer.

Quantum computers have many applications for today’s scientific community, including the creation of artificial intelligence. But the NSA fears the implications for national security.

“The application of quantum technologies to encryption algorithms threatens to dramatically impact the U.S. government’s ability to both protect its communications and eavesdrop on the communications of foreign governments,” according to an internal document provided by Snowden.

A decade ago, some experts said developing a large quantum computer was likely 10 to 100 years in the future. Five years ago, Lloyd said the goal was at least 10 years away.

Last year, Jeff Forshaw, a professor at the University of Manchester, told Britain’s Guardian newspaper, “It is probably too soon to speculate on when the first full-scale quantum computer will be built but recent progress indicates that there is every reason to be optimistic.”

“I don’t think we’re likely to have the type of quantum computer the NSA wants within at least five years, in the absence of a significant breakthrough maybe much longer,” Lloyd told the Post in a recent interview.

However, some companies claim to already be producing small quantum computers. A Canadian company, D-Wave Systems, says it has been making quantum computers since 2009. In 2012, it sold a $10 million version to Google, NASA and the Universities Space Research Association, according to news reports.

That quantum computer, however, would never be useful for breaking public key encryption like RSA.

“Even if everything they’re claiming is correct, that computer, by its design, cannot run Shor’s algorithm,” said Matthew Green, a research professor at the Johns Hopkins Information Security Institute, referring to the algorithm that could be used to break encryption like RSA.

Experts believe one of the largest hurdles to breaking encryption with a quantum computer is building a computer with enough qubits, which is difficult given the very fragile state of quantum computers.

By the end of September, the NSA expected to be able to have some basic building blocks, which it described in a document as “dynamical decoupling and complete quantum control on two semiconductor qubits.”

“That’s a great step, but it’s a pretty small step on the road to building a large-scale quantum computer,” Lloyd said.

A quantum computer capable of breaking cryptography would need hundreds or thousands more qubits than that.

The budget for the National Intelligence Program, commonly referred to as the “black budget,” details the “Penetrating Hard Targets” project and noted this step “will enable initial scaling toward large systems in related and follow-on efforts.”

Another project, called “Owning the Net,” is using quantum research to support the creation of new quantum-based attacks on encryptions like RSA, documents show.

“The irony of quantum computing is that if you can imagine someone building a quantum computer that can break encryption a few decades into the future, then you need to be worried right now,” Lidar said.
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I have an excel spreadsheet with my passwords. Like id10t I have levels of importance. For a lot of unimportant stuff I just use the same username and password and never change them. My financial institutions require me to change my password every 90 days and I do that with other important sites that don't require it. I keep the spreadsheet in a folder in boxcryptor, which is accessible from my phone, iPad, laptop, and work computer. The password for boxcryptor is in code in the middle of one of dozens of text documents on my computers. Chances are I'm OK, but I'm not really confident.
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You could also just put a text file with everything inside of an encrypted & password protected .zip file. I only needed to remember the password to the zip file that way. That's what I used to do before I had KeePass.

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