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Lotus future questioned as losses speed past £167m
By Christian Sylt7:53PM GMT 10 Jan 2014 Lotus future questioned as losses speed past £167m - Telegraph ![]() Quote:
I was hoping to see the two seat convertible/targa rumored back in 2011 by now. At least a Photoshop of one superior to the blurriness below. Dany Bahar confirms Evora convertible is on the way April 29, 2011 Dany Bahar confirms Evora convertible is on the way | The Lotus Forums ![]() Quote:
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That is a seriously boring looking car. It costs HOW much?!
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Lotus should of stuck with using the engines/gearboxes of others. They had a good thing going on without even building their own engines. If they do build an engine, do it as a contract that is paid for by someone else - and they get the use of it.
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Bring back Offenhauser .
drop the Toy eng.
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I have always had a soft spot for Lotus, especially withe the development of the Esprit from a crude 4 cylinder on twin sidedrafts in the '70s to a fire breathing twin turbo V8 in the '90s. My interest waned when the Elise and Exige were announced, even though I know they are really capable cars. I hope they can turn around and make it, maybe the Germans need to buy them?
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My neighbor has an Evora S. Great looking car with a decent exhaust note. I still need to drive it, he wants to trade off with my 996 sometime.
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Hasn't Lotus been in financial trouble for what seems like ever?
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perhaps they should be selling SUVs...
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The break-off company assigned to making actual cars (starting with the Elise) was doing well until 2008 when like everyone else the bottom fell out of their world. I would have thought that in the current economic climate they would be doing great. However the purse strings seem to be in a tangle. EDIT: Future of Lotus in "significant doubt" after £170m loss 11/01/2014 http://www.pitpass.com/public/print_article.php?fes_art_id=50718 Quote:
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If I recall correctly at least half of all Porsche sales are in the US, meaning the Evora would have to outsell the 911 by 2:1 world wide..........................anyone else see a problem here? Is the picture as dark as I've painted it, or are my numbers really that far off? Going off the chart below for reference numbers. Note that Lotus is not even on the chart. 05/05/2013 - GOOD CAR BAD CAR ![]()
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I love their cars.....but they've been on the edge of this cliff for a while.
The design budget for my Elan was roughly $55,000,000......they sold shy of 5,000 cars which works to roughly $12,000 in each car before it even began manufacturing. Original price was only ~$20,000 Add in actual materials and labor cost for construction then transit and various related fees and I suspect the took a decent loss on each car. |
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Here are the actual Lotus sales figures.
Lotus Elise / Exige U.S. Production Figures 2005 to 2011 - LotusTalk - The Lotus Cars Community ![]() They plan to do as well as they did back in 2005 with the introduction of the Elise. Maybe not so far fetched. However, I don't know enough to even start guessing why the sales dropped like a rock from Mars.
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1) When I first say their newer line of cars, my first impression was that some 5th grader drew them on his notebook while daydreamnig in english class.
They look like toys, like some strange hot wheels car, too over the top to be taken seriously. 2) The 2 passenger sports car market is tiny and competitive, you can't base an entire company on just that market. It is suicide, it is asinine. It all adds up to "gee, who coulda seen that coming " 3) Tell em to make a decently reserved 2+2 GT car and maybe they'd sell enough cars to stand a chance. |
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2. All car companies started in my lifetime that I know about have been single model, and most of them sports cars, I recall one being a Land Roverish SUV though. Many car companies have sustained themselves for years on a single model, although I would not say they flourished in the long run. 3. The Evora is a 2+2 and intended to compete directly with the Porsche 911. On-line articles I've read featuring an Evora comparison to the 911 show both cars have their strengths and weaknesses. I haven't polled all the articles out there but my impression is that in the end it's a win win with either one. Somehow I'm not too surprised by sammy's posts, but I am disappointed.
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So no one else cares they have a Toyota engine in there line up?
Now i am not saying its a bad engine...it just fks the pedigree up.! I looked at buying one..its a a lot of cash then to have a Toy engine in there was a deal breaker for me. A Cayman makes more sense !
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It may be Toyota at the core, but they tweak the snot out of their engines.
George, yeah, they 'restructured' when bugatti bought them, but nothing substantive changed. |
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An engine of their own is the only way they could even come close to reaching their projection numbers. I for one don't want a Toyota engine in my sports car. I could live with a Subaru engine though, not sure if I can explain my perception or preference differences. The Evora has already been out several years, it needs a game changer to keep pace with Porsche and a new engine may do that. I'm not saying it was money well spent or well invested (the research funds), but if they were shooting for the 911 as reported, then they better be using some darn good ammo. In for a dime, in for a dollar is an expression which comes to mind. Play to win or don't show is another.
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It needs at least a BMW engine , not one from japan! It is like mixing dehydrated water with sand, not a very fresh drink......
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Oh, I can think of a few other appropriate power plants.
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