Anyone a cabinet maker? I have a melamine/p-lam problem

[look 171]

Originally Posted by URY914

Situation update:

After I emailed the Architect telling him that his spec sucked and caused this problem he replies that the spec calls for p-lam on both sides of the door. Gee, it would have been nice to know that when they were first installed.

Now I get to battle it out with the GC and cabinet supplier.

Just curious, what is it that you do? Install only?

[gruppe75]

Now I get to battle it out with the GC and cabinet supplier.

It sounds like you are getting the run around. I used to be a professional estimator for a construction company and have had experiences very similar to this. You need to see what was actually supplied in the "Tender Documents". The architectural spec's will be included in this text. The wording in the "Tender Documents" takes precedence over any wording that may be in the blueprints. Spec's on blueprints don't always match what is in the "Tender Documents"
You mentioned earlier

The Architect spec is for thermal applied "melamine" on the interior surface and glue applied p-lam on the exterior

and now

spec calls for p-lam on both sides of the door

. You need to confirm what was supplied in the tender documents to the cabinet supplier.
Next the shop drawings that were supplied by the cabinet supplier should have been approved by the architect prior to construction. Lastly on final completion, the architect inspects the supplied cabinets to assure everything was constructed according to the supplied spec's and shop drawings.
I believe the onus is on the Architect to protect the owner from any shoddy workmanship. Assuming they were the overseers of the project.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by look 171

Just curious, what is it that you do? Install only?

I am the owner's project manager. We own the building and operate it. The A/E and G.C. work for me.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by gruppe75

It sounds like you are getting the run around. I used to be a professional estimator for a construction company and have had experiences very similar to this. You need to see what was actually supplied in the "Tender Documents". The architectural spec's will be included in this text. The wording in the "Tender Documents" takes precedence over any wording that may be in the blueprints. Spec's on blueprints don't always match what is in the "Tender Documents"
You mentioned earlier and now . You need to confirm what was supplied in the tender documents to the cabinet supplier.
Next the shop drawings that were supplied by the cabinet supplier should have been approved by the architect prior to construction. Lastly on final completion, the architect inspects the supplied cabinets to assure everything was constructed according to the supplied spec's and shop drawings.
I believe the onus is on the Architect to protect the owner from any shoddy workmanship. Assuming they were the overseers of the project.

The Architect didn't even know his own spec until I pressed him to tell me what he had in the documents. Once he came clean and he emailed me the complete spec I was able to determine the fabricator built the doors not according to the spec. I have been out of the office all week have not been able to review my set of the documents. When I first posted this situation I assumed (my mistake) the spec allowed melamine on the interior because the Architect had never noted this during his site visits.

This is the first time I have ever heard the term "Tender Documents". We only have drawings with the specs printed on them. You probably already know that approved shop drawings do not over ride the original specs.

Thanks

[URY914]

Final update:

The cabinet maker has agreed to re-make the doors with p-lam on both sides as per the original spec.

Situation resolved.

[look 171]

don't use them anymore. How much are they really saving in time and materials by taking a little short cut unless they are running 1000' of this stuff. Makes no sense.