How Americans Die

[Brian in VA]

How Americans Die

Worth a click through if you have a few mins to kill

[74-911]

Originally Posted by Brian in VA

How Americans Die

Worth a click through if you have a few mins to kill

interesting, thanks for posting.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Interesting although the conclusion about drugs and suicides being dramatically more pronounced on 45-54 year olds since the mid-1990s seems to be a bit of a reach; the amount of "fattening" of those data on the graph doesn't seem any more pronounced than liver disease and cancer, both of which are concluded as having gotten much less deadly since then. It makes me wonder whether there is some embellishment going on to justify certain conclusions. It's an odd conclusion based in what's shown.

The part about increased rates of dementia / Alzheimer's is spot-on based on what I have experience with. I'm also not the least bit surprised to see that end-of-life care (Medicare) being relatively flat since 2006. Medicare seems to have gotten very stingy about hospice and nursing home coverage lately. Yes, Medicare needs to be closely regulated to avoid cost overruns and abuses but it seems to have gotten miserly in some of the wrong ways and in the wrong places.

All-in-all an interesting article though...

[onewhippedpuppy]

Another bit of evidence that we should be focusing on car control vs gun control. Just think what we could do if the money being used to ban scary black guns was instead invested in more robust driver's education for teens. We could likely make a dent in what is the #1 cause of teen death.

[cashflyer]

It's a very pretty presentation.

[afterburn 549]

In the end I think death killed them .
its interesting to look at the homicide ratio and guns were presumed .
it looked like motor vehicles were much higher .
No one can have a comprehensive logical argument around here any more.
It all becomes a agenda to preach on.
And the answer then becomes quite clear - out law death

[djmcmath]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

And the answer then becomes quite clear - out law death

That's it! We just pass a law making death illegal!

If you die, the government assesses a tax penalty against you. If you stay dead for more than a year, in direct violation of the law, they throw you in jail!

hahaha.


On a serious note, I thought the basic theme of "We're living longer, but killing ourselves more" was interesting. Why are suicides rising so dramatically? Do we not want to live anymore? Are we living longer, but less fulfilling lives? Have we weakened the stigma against suicide, so now it's more socially acceptable?

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by djmcmath

Do we not want to live anymore?
Are we living longer, but less fulfilling lives?

I think this has a lot to do with it.
I think a lot of people work hard all their life, only to find themselves prisoners of a weak old body. They didn't enjoy life along the way, and now they can't. So, what's the purpose of continuing onward.

I work a lot of hours. I have no retirement plan. Social Security is a joke. What do I have to look forward to in my retirement years? Death. I can look forward to that.

It is man's folly to believe that life has any meaning beyond life itself.

[mossguy]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

I think this has a lot to do with it.
I think a lot of people work hard all their life, only to find themselves prisoners of a weak old body. They didn't enjoy life along the way, and now they can't. So, what's the purpose of continuing onward.

I work a lot of hours. I have no retirement plan. Social Security is a joke. What do I have to look forward to in my retirement years? Death. I can look forward to that.

It is man's folly to believe that life has any meaning beyond life itself.

Post of the Year!

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Spot-on. People at some point are going to need to realize that quality of life is far more important than quantity of life.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Based on the life that many seem to live at 80+, I'll take an early death. My grandfather did it right, died of a heart attack in his sleep at 84, still active and sharp as a tack working 40+ hours per week at the company he started.

[mossguy]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

I think a lot of people work hard all their life, only to find themselves prisoners of a weak old body. They didn't enjoy life along the way, and now they can't. So, what's the purpose of continuing onward.



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I am dealing with this by changing my expectations. As wrenching becomes too difficult physically, and driving time in the P-car has all but disappeared, I find that I can still shoot (and well), but not all the same pistols and calibers as before. I continue to reload in my shop and to make (mostly 1911) grips. As the arthritis and leukemia progress, I will re-start my watercoloring hobby and hangout on the internet, esp. Pelican.

LIFE IS GOOD!

(Just different now)

[Rick Lee]

These spell it out well.

[porsche4life]

Quote de cashflyer

I think a lot of people work hard all their life, only to find themselves prisoners of a weak old body. They didn't enjoy life along the way, and now they can't. So, what's the purpose of continuing onward.







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I am dealing with this by changing my expectations. As wrenching becomes too difficult physically, and driving time in the P-car has all but disappeared, I find that I can still shoot (and well), but not all the same pistols and calibers as before. I continue to reload in my shop and to make (mostly 1911) grips. As the arthritis and leukemia progress, I will re-start my watercoloring hobby and hangout on the internet, esp. Pelican.



LIFE IS GOOD!



(Just different now)

Good outlook tom! Enjoy the ride while it lasts!

[Arizona_928]

I didn't see the aids coming. Interesting...

[PabloX]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Another bit of evidence that we should be focusing on car control vs gun control. Just think what we could do if the money being used to ban scary black guns was instead invested in more robust driver's education for teens. We could likely make a dent in what is the #1 cause of teen death.

Page 12 also says that Bloomberg should be concentrating on drugs and suicide instead of guns. That doesn't suit his real agenda though.

[Tilikum Turbo]

Subjective 'opinions' are much easier to swallow than objective professional opinions....what is most likely not known to those who provide the subjective opinion in statistics is statistics does no apply to the individual, but a group as whole.

Take Global warming...if your not capable of being called in front on a court of law to provide a professional opinion as example, then the layman's opinion is invalid and just chatter.

[motion]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

I work a lot of hours. I have no retirement plan. Social Security is a joke. What do I have to look forward to in my retirement years? Death. I can look forward to that.

It is man's folly to believe that life has any meaning beyond life itself.

You're doing it wrong.

But, not the first time I've heard this from a man. Especially after they've lived in an unloving marriage most of their lives.

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by motion

.. not the first time I've heard this from a man. Especially after they've lived in an unloving marriage most of their lives.

Insightful.

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by mossguy

I am dealing with this by changing my expectations. As wrenching becomes too difficult physically, and driving time in the P-car has all but disappeared, I find that I can still shoot (and well), but not all the same pistols and calibers as before. I continue to reload in my shop and to make (mostly 1911) grips. As the arthritis and leukemia progress, I will re-start my watercoloring hobby and hangout on the internet, esp. Pelican.

LIFE IS GOOD!

(Just different now)

Excellent post Mossguy!

I agree that every decade offers new challenges and opportunities to explore. At 58, racing motorcycles and tournament waterskiing are not a viable option physically. A little Porsche racing is still an option; and art, science and music still bring a great deal of joy. Les Paul gigged well into his 80s so I plan to follow that path as long as the fingers and ears hold out and someone is willing to listen. A lot of this country still to see as well before I kiss the dirt.

Staying healthy, active, and engaged takes a lot of the sting out of aging bones. Giving generously of my time and resources also tends to lift me up more than those who are receiving. An interesting recent observation.

Life is not a dress rehearsal so live it now.