If I ever have to go to trial for anything, all that I ask is that you guys please stay the hell off my jury.

apologies if already posted...FYI:
IMSA joins NASCAR in strengthening rules about drivers leaving cars after wrecks | MotorSportsTalk

Hmmm.....so for IMSA, does that mean that when we see people exiting the car and going over the wall while the await the tow, we won't see that anymore?

I noticed this from that article I posted:

Jesus C, I use to think this board was better than most because of the intellect here. My mistake. There are still some with some common sense, but it has gotten worse.
I'm done
over and out

We'll miss you.

Who are you again?

There have been incidents where cars are piled into WHILE the driver is getting out. In road racing, staying inside a protective cage has always been a good idea until the track is under yellow or red.

See Porsche v Corvette during practice at VIR a few days ago.

And in the final laps of the actual race, Porsche number 911 pulled off into the grass with what looked to be mechanical issues and his team radioed him to stay in the car.

Is there a video, what happened? Are we supposed to be mind readers?

I don't have a video snipet of just the crash during practice, but here is a picture:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1409073003.jpg

Let me google that for you:

TUDOR Championship: Magnussen, Lietz involved in major incident at VIR | FOX Sports

And the biggest that I remember: 2004 Grand Am Rolex Sports Car Series Watkins Glen Regenchaos - YouTube

the factory p rsr car # 911 slipped on oil (at t1 i think). the vette slipped on same oil. and hit broadside to p .. . p driver had bad arm break but side cage did its job well from a big hit..... incident with video well discussed on rennlist.. no time for car exit at all, and very bad spot on track.... the 911 car was retubbed overnite! and on the starting line next day at noon! unbelievable!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1409102152.jpg

Seen on FaceBook.

FRACK!!!

Someone is using a SPAMBOT to say the above. WOW.

Reported the post, hopefully it disappears here soon.

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That would be Mr. 298 Posts.

Ha, I'm on a Porsche forum, my eyes immediately read 928. :(

Driving this weekend.

Nice try fghstht, say good night...

Translated:

how will sponsors react to this? will there be a ripple effect?

let's be clear again...he will walk criminally unless there is a crazy in car video that none of us has seen.

there will be a civil case that will have real traction...it will however be settled out of court.

Yup

Or is this just what "due process" looks like?

I would not be too dismissive. I suspect there has been evidence that was more compelling than the youtube video...we just will not know until we know.

I still believe he walks criminally but the civil trial is real and it will ultimately be settled out of court.

still a sad situation.

just a quick comment..

I am here in my lake norman home and I had cigars w/ two of my friends from Penske. we discussed the situation and they were emphatic that this was over and there would be no case made criminally or civilly.

I was also emphatic and said...WRONG! this will not blow over and there will be a ripple effect regarding the team and sponsors. we will get to see this play out.

best,

pcb

Not what due process looks like, what political posturing looks like.

Criminal case-Not a chance

Civil case-Two chances, slim and none, and slim is not looking good. If it ever does end up in a civil case, a little thing called contributory negligence is going to keep the award from being more than a dollar.

Overly cynical. If just one man makes the decision, it would forever be labeled a coverup; if a jury of 12 does then the process was allowed to work. I think its entirely appropriate to allow a jury to evaluate the evidence before filing or failing to file charges.

Totally agree that K.J. Jr did contributed to his own demise but I'm willing to bet a Loonie, that whether by legal process or settlement out of court more than a dollar will be paid.

Due process.

"If a district attorney wanted to they could indict a ham sandwich. "
--Sol Wachtler

This is crazy, just another waste of money and time. Witch hunt.

"It's only considered tyranny of the majority if you're not in the majority."

Robert Bork

I think you nailed it.

If the DA on his own does anything someone will claim he was paid off. Few people believe a jury of 12 was paid off. No doubt many will still believe whatever verdict is delivered it was wrong.

There is a distinction between a grand jury who decides to indict (charge a person for a felony and a petit jury (trial jury to determine guilt ).

Grand juries in NY are secret juries containing 23 on the panel. 12 of the 23 must vote there is enough evidence to formally charge the person. Only the DA and the states witnesses appear to make their case for charging a person. The defendant and his lawyer are not allowed to appear.

Once formally charged the case goes forward and a petit jury hears the case at a trial. Must be unanimous verdict of the 12 to convict

Hence, it is a politically motivated decision.

you are correct. it will be done so out of court and at the "suggestion" of the france crime family. it will be a good bit more than a dollar.

As of this date, I fear that Stewart will be indicted, very soon.

Told you so.

They can't get past the fact that Tony hit the throttle.

Negligent homicide.