haven't been able to pre-order, website is "overwhelmed" including at&t.....update: went through the store App, got one!

Got up at 2am central. Both Apple and AT&T's websites were down. I got through on AT&T around 2:20 and was able to preorder the 6. I woke up now to an email confirmation of a delivery date on or around 9/19. Sounds good to me.

Did the same. Got through on ATT app at 2:07am CST.

21-28 day delivery time for the grey Plus 64.

14-21 days for the silver Plus 64.

Apple now has 3 to 4 week shipping on iPhone 6 gray 64 gb so guess I'll wait and pick one up at a store in the next month or so or whenever I don't have to wait.

Guessing the 6s will offer 256gb. Probably will hold out for that. I do like the look of the smaller iPhone 6 (I can't stand "phablets") but I'm a little reluctant to toss my 5s just yet (good size, does pretty much everything I want, etc.)

I just stopped in at the Verizon store with the intention of trading in my 4 for a 6. Also, since we have an old voice plan from back in the 2G/2.5G days, I was under the impression (from a previous visit to Verizon) that a new data/voice/text plan would make a pleasant drop in my monthly bill. Uhh, no. :(

So, for the time being, I'm keeping my old phone and my existing plan, where I'm already out of contract and my wife will be too in 8-9 months. Verizon just cost Apple a sale.

The larger phone has been sold out now and waiting list is holding at 3-4 weeks. The smaller 6 is apparently available for next Friday delivery... but it's been only 10 hours they've been available for reservations.

Insiders say Apple was anticipating selling 80 million of the 6-series this year.

Hmm, so if I want to get myself one for Xmas I'd better order now?

Heck, if you wait any longer you'd better just put in your order for a 7.

 pushed mine to October 13-16th:eek:

Fish in a barrel ;)

Hey, I stuck with my 4S until now . . . the 5 and 5S were not enough to get me to upgrade.

But Apple Pay/NFC is really attractive to me, assuming enough merchant adoption, given my multiple debit card fraud experiences this year (and one of my credit cards was hacked too).

And now Home Depot admits to the biggest credit card theft ever, which went on for 5 months undetected, some 60 million customers, and Home Depot is merely going to offer "credit monitoring" to the affected.

Retailers are being negligent or worse with our customer data. You think if Home Depot spent $100 million on fraud and intrusion detection systems they couldn't have prevented or greatly limited this theft? Sure they could. And $100 million is what percent of its $100 billion annual sales?

I'm so pissed, I'm going to start using cash and paper checks again. But that's inconvenient - if Apple Pay or a similar system works, I'm mucho interested.

Upgrade every two years and sell your old phone. It makes the upgrade free. I don't know when my 6 will actually arrive but I don't really care. Ordering online in 20 minutes is much better than waiting at the store. Or even going to the store with no line.

I doubt that most Merchants are going to pay to upgrade systems. They won't upgrade to the Credit Card plus Pin system used in Europe.

Could somebody explain how NFC is in any way more secure than a credit card? The problem isn't the credit card, the problem is the security (or lack thereof) on the part of retailers. The virtual wallet apps simply store your credit card information, it's a different medium but the same basic system. I fail to see how it is any more secure, and it certainly makes hacking into cell phones a more tempting prospect.

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I don't know how Google Wallet works.

Apple Pay stores your credit of debit card information on your phone, presumably encrypted, and protected by the fingerprint sensor. (Edit: actually, it stores a Device Code instead of the actual card information. I don't know what a Device Code is. But anyway that will presumably make it even harder to get card information off your phone.) It is hard to get encrypted information out of an iPhone; law enforcement and the FBI often can't do it; anyway it is a heck of a lot harder than pulling the physical cards out of a stolen wallet. When you make a transaction, your card information does not go to the vendor, neither does your identity. All that leaves your phone is a one-time code that is good for that transaction only. The system works with the existing credit and debit card issuers and processors, so Visa, MasterCard, Amex, and the major banks have signed on. As have a few large retailers. Read more: https://www.apple.com/iphone-6/apple-pay/

CurrentC, the alternative smartphone payment system being pushed by Walmart and Target, is different. It bypasses the credit and debit card issuers entirely. The app on your phone has access to your bank account and when you make a transaction, it pulls the money. I haven't read up on the details but it sounds a bit like PayPal. You can alternatively load the app with money. Some big retailers are backing this because they bypass the credit/debit card issuers (Visa, MasterCard, etc); the retailers will cover fraud themselves; supposedly they will use the savings to give discounts, but as the card fees saved are just 1-2% that sounds a bit sketchy. I think retailers also like not paying to upgrade their card readers to NFC; CurrentC doesn't use NFC, instead it generates a QR code on the phone's screen that the cashier scans. But the retailers will be upgrading their card readers anyway (see next post). Read more: Merchant Customer Exchange Unveils its Mobile Payment Network - CurrentC

Yes they will. The credit card companies are requiring retailers to upgrade to readers that accept the chipped card (the card + pin you referred to). If the retailer doesn't, he - not the credit card processor - will be responsible for card fraud; so every retailer will comply. These readers will all include NFC capability. So, the only remaining step is for the retailer to enable the NFC to accept Apple Pay.

You know that right now, Apple (and the credit/debit card companies and banks) are furiously trying to sign retailers up to accept Apple Pay when they get their new NFC-enabled card readers. Starbucks, the big grocers (Whole Foods is already signed up), the big quick serve food places (McDonalds is signed up), these would be prizes. (Edit: looks like Starbucks will take Apple Pay in their "app" which probably means they will take it in the stores when the hardware is installed. Panera is the same. And, very interestingly, Target will supposedly take Apple Pay in their app - but Target is a member of the group pushing CurrentC. Hmmm.)

When and where to buy the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus - CNET

Has unlocked prices, scroll to end. $650 for 16GB "6".