Apple vs. Android
 

The new Religion!

iPhone 6 Review: Apple's Cure for Android Envy - WSJ

With the discussions here, I think the Apple vs. Android threads should now be in PARF!

Sorry for the double post. I intended this thread to be in PPOT, not PARF. But Religion in the title I guess automatically moves it to PARF.

I think it is actually going the other way.


Every cell phone can basically do everything you need or want it to do, so they are more like commodities. I know I participate in much less frequent discussions on the topic in the last year or 2.

I hate them both equally.

My wife's iPhone 5c is infuriatingly over-simplified. Every task other than dialing seems to be a chore. Say I want to email a photo from it--I have to choose "full size photo" and it refuses to remember (or let me tell it to remember) that selection. Every. Single. Time.

Yesterday as I was driving home I noticed a bright light emanating from my shirt pocket. Apparently my Samsung Galaxy something-or-other had just rebooted for no discernable reason. Even more exciting, the Bluetooth connection refused to intialize and I had to shut it down and boot it again to get it back. This is the second phone in 2 months with the exact same problem. Add to that all the obnoxious bloatware installed by Samsung and my carrier and it's a wonder the damned thing even dials out.

And these turd-monkeys think I'm going to wear their "tech" on my wrist? NFW.

IMO the Achilles heal of Android phones is the bloatware installed by the carrier. Apple wisely negotiated a sweet deal to lock out that sort of stuff from the iPhone. Sure the Android can be rooted and totally reconfigured but most people don't have the inclination to do that. When my family got their Galaxy S2 phones I immediately rooted them and installed custom cyanogen ROMs. Much better performance.

IMO Android products like OnePlus One reveal the true Android experience. Just wish I could convince my wife and daughter of that. They are determined to go with iPhone (5S - I never spend money for latest tech) this time.

Samsung bloatware is indeed very irritating, I also rooted the thing and installed cyanogenmod. Much better.

Agreed.

What I don't get is folks who complain about Apple's iOS being so locked down. Yet, when they root their phones and screw with the OS (aka "customizing") they complain that their phone is always crashing.

I've been in IT for nearly 25 years- and have done quite a bit of coding in my life. And while I'm I pretty decent coder, and I understand the various components of tech, I see no need to open up a device's OS and muck around with it. I don't know the minute details of that OS as much as the developers do -- so why would I think I can improve on their software? I can't - and neither can 99% of those folks who have hacked their phone expecting it to perform better.

But there are those who will always poke things and tweak them. Fine. Go ahead - but don't complain to me about my iPhone that is locked up -- I don't need to or want to tweak the OS. Also - don't complain when your phone crashes all the time.

Maybe I'm older now - but for me, the "My phone just works" notion outweighs the "I can modify my phone" mentality.

-Z

instead, they send millions of people an album they don't want, didn't ask for and had no way to delete?

Bloatware might be annoying but its so easy to get rid of, I'll take that any day over a phone that costs twice as much, takes 4x longer to fix issues and 10x longer to add features that have been around on other platforms for years.

I will give it to Apple, it takes very special marketing to get people to stand in line year after year and pay crazy $$$ to "upgrade" their phone

I go to lots of car-centric trade shows. The attendees (mostly men) seem to have android phones, and often the bigger the better. However, a while back I attended a 'trade-show trade-show' where many of the attendees were women, but also lots of men. The men seemed to have a more 'mixed' bag of phones (android and iPhones) while the women however, almost entirely iPhones. These are really busy people - if you are responsible for massive trade show booths (the kind that roll in on a few semis) - you know the importance of communication. I found it interesting when you just need to get stuff done, and without 'drama' it seems like iPhones win in real-world situations.

For the record:
1. Apple released a tool that users can use to remove the free U2 album from their list of albums on their iDevices
2. Technically, it is not on their device, but listed as an album can be downloaded to their devices if they choose to do so. It appears as if an album that was purchased, but not yet downloaded to their individual devices.
3. It is a free album for crying out loud! I've never heard so many folks complain about getting something for free. And if you don't want it - just don't download it. In Apple iTunes store, and in Google Play - there's a bunch of free stuff available to the masses - but folks don't complain about that...
4. Shamelessly taken from the random pics thread (originally posted by Kang): apparently, this isn't the first time a U2 album was offered for free with a media device:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1411051129.jpg

:D

-Z

nice pict.
+1

Who really needs MORE app's? More devices?

People will, in large part, stick to what OS/religion they know.

The battle now is over service costs - bang for the monthly bucks.

The thread isn't supposed to be about which is better, Apple or Android, but why the so serious disagreement. Instead of enjoying the differences, we compete to say "mine is better".

Can't we all get along?

Vive la difference!

Every smartphone I've owned, four of them has been an HTC by pure mistake. I'm stickin' with them though. I've played around with a couple Samsungs, can't stand 'em.

Vive la difference!

+1 --having choices is great.

I'm considering an i-6 --liking the larger size and that sapphire screen.

OTOH, maybe I'll go back to a flip-phone and use my tablet and data-plan for the mobile cmptr needs.

Choices choices...

What sapphire screen??

Enzo posted about it a few months ago.

I just Binged "sapphire screen" only to learn that Apple is NOT offering this in the 6.

Well, so much for that thought.

http://time.com/3377972/why-apple-didnt-use-sapphire-iphone-screens/

I will note that the Time article (linked above) says: Which seems to be complete BS. The sapphire lens on my watch has anti-reflective coating (both sides) and has zero signs of wear after 15+ years of daily use. This is the most durable surface finish I have ever seen.

And, when clean, it often appears that the lens is missing.

" rather than use sapphire, Apple turned to potassium to create its “ion-strengthened glass” screen — bathing the glass in the element is what creates the stronger glass.

But to make that glass actually function as a touch screen, three other elements are needed — indium, tin and oxygen. Indium oxide and tin oxide are combined to create indium tin oxide, which then goes into the transparent film in the screen that conducts electricity and makes it responsive"

Sapphire screen is on the watch.

I've noticed I'm the same way with cars now.

Want, but will hold out for 6S if it has the sapphire screen, 7 if it doesn't.

The iPhone 6 Plus does not have a sapphire screen. It's not even clear if future iPhones will ever have sapphire screens.

I'm guessing like most things market pressure to be better than the competition will force it to happen. If Apple doesn't lead, they'll be forced to follow and I doubt they want that.

Sapphire is not necessarily the best option for a smart phone screen, even if it can be made economically enough.

Why Apple Didn't Use Sapphire for the iPhone Screens

Apple will no longer unlock most iPhones, iPads for police, even with search warrants - The Washington Post

Interesting.

If the police state is a concern you'll want iOS 8.

Best news - right to privacy scores 1, Apple should also score 1.

I wonder what "most" phones means?

Any phone/ipad running iOS8.

Over time as people upgrade "most" will turn into pretty much all.

I running 8 now (typing on it), no major updates as this is an older iPad, but a few nice features. I a have at least one of everything as I do Enterprise Mobility Integration and I have to say I like Windows Phone 8 over Android, and Apple at the top. I like best of breed over ecosystems but I do love my MacBook Air. I find over the longer term Apple hardware and software sucks a little less than all the alternatives.

However I do not have a Surface Pro 3 (Yet) but I do have a Dell Venue 8 that I almost never use because I detest Windows 8 unless on a phone.

Yep. Every smart phone that I've owned has been an HTC (on purpose). They tend to work very well and have a lot less bloatware installed. With my G1 and G2, I don't think there was any. With my One S, I think I had a few apps installed, but the regular Android launcher. I'm hoping to stick to either HTC phones or possible straight Google phones like the Nexus series. I think the google phones have no bloatware (which is why my first two had none).

It will work on 4s phones and newer, and it believe on all iPads except first gen.

But in that case, don't back your phone up - not on your Mac/PC or on iCloud.

Well, maybe you can back up on your Mac/PC and encrypt the drive or something.

I was told to cross backup between your iOS8 devices, since they probably share most of the info anyway

I don't put anything that I want private in the cloud.

I have some cloud accounts for sharing large files with technically inept clients but do not use iCloud or any other online service for my personal stuff.

I have roughly 15 TB's of local storage on RAID 5 servers in my home.

Space is not an issue for me.

4. actually it is, 5 minutes of looking show that ad is a fake:

snopes.com: Free U2 Tape with Every Cassette Player

free album? I agree it wasn't automatically download but it was placed in the Itunes library without consent. Sure 1 album might be ok, what about 10? 50? Sound like fun to log into your library and have to remove all the "free" crap Apple has decided to put there for you?

Guess no one should complain about junk mail either...come on, its a free book of checks for crying out loud!!!;)

Competition is a good thing.

Indeed!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1411144700.jpg

Wife has an Iphone 5. Battery is a joke and it feels cheap... she was a hardcore Apple believer but they seem to be going for cheaper build, higher price... to satisfy the stock holder demands of ever increasing margins as a sign of company health. What a joke.

OTOH, I have a Motorola Razr MAXX HD of the same vintage that lasts twice as long as her Iphone 5 on a charge. Literally. It's a BYOD personal phone with secure lock and encryption for work. Better hand feel with carbon fiber back, larger display and no proprietary cables or adapters to mess with.

There are pretty significant differences when you drill down. Not saying one is globally better but there is a better fit for working professionals when examining certain criteria.

I'm sort of interested in the Droid Maxx too. How's the build quality? My big hangup is still how to covert my iTunes songs. Cannot live without them for a day.