In between acting like a maniac and scaring the cop and acting like a runaway slave is normalcy and civility, the way that people should treat each other in a civilised society. No one should have to act subservient or obsequious to police officers in this country. :mad:

i don't know about elsewhere, but there have been a LOT of officer involved shootings here, locally. that said, i believe most of them to be justified (the guy pointed a shotgun at the officers and fired a round at them, for example), but a few of them are very suspect, in my mind.

but hey, let's keep militarizing them, teaching the police officers that it is 'us' and 'them'.

Meh, Denis is full of Keyboard Kourage. Not worth the effort.

Making the cop feel comfortable makes all kinds of sense. If that means you act like the cop has total control of the situation, then so be it. It's not like folks don't do stuff ALL THE TIME in a situational way. Those of us who are married understand this on an instinctual level. The lady of the house can be random sometimes, so we roll with it.

Getting pulled over is no different. Considering how dangerous traffic stops are for cops, you have to understand their mindset. This is not saying that the global "us vs. them" attitude or militarization of police is acceptable. That's not the point at all. The point is to make it through the traffic stop without getting shot, arrested, or otherwise harmed. Up to and including getting a warning, rather than a citation.

Sure, you can yell at the cop and tell them how you pay their salary and how much you know your rights. But at the side of the road, that is SERIOUSLY counterproductive. At the side of the road is NOT the place to make your stand. Especially if you have actually committed a traffic infraction. If you have, you should STFU and hope to minimize the damage, instead of pretending you're an internet patriot.

:rolleyes:

So, in order to protect yourself from this, you make a stand at the side of the road?

Bovine excrement.

If you want the militarization of the police to stop, you have to do that politically. Not at the side of the road. OK, maybe you're ready to do the whole get arrested->go to court->sue the cops->appeal all the way to the USSC thing, but I'm sure as hell not willing to go that far. I'll vote for any guy willing to take military stuff out of the hands of cops, but there's a limit to my time and resources.

Being polite and respectful pays dividends, even beyond the traffic stop. Being a d|ck is its own reward.

Hey, go fk yourself. I've tried to be patient and ignore you but you're getting on my nerves. You are boring the snot out of me with your little vendetta. I slapped you down for being a phony and spreading bad advice on another sub-forum, (and completely slandering another member's Porsche for sale). Your reaction is a lot of penis envy and snide remarks and I'm sick of it.

You're a completely phony Porsche expert with your chest puffed-up and head full of bullschit. You're not a witty or particularly valuable member in other ways. Just go away.

It would be incredibly easy to determine which one of us has "keyboard courage" only. I say it's you. Prove me wrong. :)

Ummmm, I've got a gun as well.....

I have young folks call me sir fairly often.....I figure it's cause I'm an old grey bearded SOB. It reminds me of the response from my army days where the NCOs say "Don't call me sir, I work for a living"....but what I usually say is" Calling me sir makes me feel old" with a smile. Normal civility at work.

Contact with a cop is not "normal" for me. It's been at least 5 years since the last, IIRC.
No ass kising was necessary but civility is displayed. If ass kissing was necessary, so be it......that can be pondered over after the event was over......no extra holes or bumps on my head...no big deal. If your self worth is dependent on some reaction other than this.......I have no advice.
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Bingo.

Situational awareness is king. Know your surroundings, know your position, use the information to your advantage.

Yeah, pull it out, then we can read all about in the interweb.
Make a vid. It would cool.:D

having a hard time with reading comprehension? where did i say anything about making a stand? in fact, where did i say anything about a traffic stop in this post?

i'll help you out: i was making a point about officer involved shootings and the militarization of the police force....

is silberUrS AKA silverwhaletail, whom i believe was banned?

No, he's a newer anal wart.

Nope, never banned - I don't know who the whaletail guy is. Of course, if you'd like management to compare IP addy info, you can ask.

Weren't you the guy snickering behind his hand about "grovelling"? Yeah. So, I'm talking about how to conduct yourself during a stop to minimize your exposure to trouble with cops. What does that have to do with militarization? Or are you changing the subject? Yeah, reading comprehension. LOL.

silber, you are the only one, here, making a stand. from behind your keyboard. go find your binky, as your tantrum is wearing thin.

again, show me a post of mine, a single one, where i endorse 'making a stand' during a traffic stop. your reading comprehension is a fail.

The irony is perfect.

Calling a police officer "Sir" is not groveling. It's respect. In my martial arts school we call everyone "Sir". Even people younger than us.

...taking time to put someone at ease who potentially puts their life on the line many times per day buy asking permission to do something that might make them nervous is not groveling... ..it's polite.

...recognizing the climate of today, where people are litigious, jumpy, and paranoic, and acting in a way that is different than how you treat your buddies is not condescending or weak, it's just using common sense and intelligence.

...Was the officer completely wrong. Sure! Was the guy ignoring the advice above... Yes that too. He certainly didn't deserve to get shot for it.

Your constant misuse of the word irony is the calling card of a dip schit.

I personally hate being called sir unless it's by a teenager. I'm not in the military and it just makes me feel old and seems innapropriate most of the time.

The way to act around the police is the same way to act around anyone you are having a business transaction with. Polite but not obsequious.

Ditto. And I've never had a cop get excited or even ask to see it when I've told them about it during a traffic stop.

"'He's got the gun" is a over-simplification of the power he can yield all over your head. OK, maybe I should have used "He's got the badge".

I wouldn't expect a cop to over-react to the statement about your carrying.
Do you volunteer that information at every traffic stop? I've never been asked.......as I sit there with both hands on the wheel.

Certainly not when in a state where it's illegal. But it just depends on where it is and if there's a chance the cop would see it anyway. For example, if it's in my door pocket or center console vs. in my jacket or the small of my back.