What about carrying a taser vs. gun around?

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by BlueSkyJaunte

And the fact that you cite a single incident as "proof" indicates that you are ignorant of statistics as well.

A concealed weapon isn't an impenetrable shield against danger. It increases the carrier's probability of surviving a violent encounter.

After all, we can't all be BJ specialists.

Okay here's three more that Im sure you'll discredit as well because you dont agree with them. BTW, I train in MMA because I love the sport of it, and I also train in combat style street fighting, but I know that in a real situation anything can happen. Its called the element of surprise. That is exactly what criminals have.

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[onewhippedpuppy]

In the NJ case, the husband physically engaged the gunman which led to him being shot, because he had no other options. Who are you to say that he wouldn't have had to opportunity to pull a concealed weapon? In the actual scenario he had no chance. Having a weapon at least gives you that chance to defend yourself.

Btw, posting blogs with obvious agendas does little to further your argument.

[Don Ro]

In the case of survival, naivete is your worst mental state.
My caliber of choice is a .45.
If the shock doesn't do what I want, hopefully the loss of blood will.
My philosophy, and others who have taught me back then, is the bigger the hole and the more holes, the quicker the loss of blood,
The End!
.
In Arizona, I pack.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

In the NJ case, the husband physically engaged the gunman which led to him being shot, because he had no other options. Who are you to say that he wouldn't have had to opportunity to pull a concealed weapon? In the actual scenario he had no chance. Having a weapon at least gives you that chance to defend yourself.

Btw, posting blogs with obvious agendas does little to further your argument.

This is the full story. The husband was shot while he was opening his car door, but I'm sure you'll just discredit this article as well.

Man, 30, Shopping With Wife Killed in Carjacking at Upscale New Jersey Mall: Prosecutors | NBC New York

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by Don Ro

In the case of survival, naivete is your worst mental state.
My caliber of choice is a .45.
If the shock doesn't do what I want, hopefully the loss of blood will.
My philosophy, and others who have taught me back then, is the bigger the hole and the more holes, the quicker the loss of blood,
The End!
.
In Arizona, I pack.

So one could say that your being naive in thinking that you're the only one packing. Its not like your really coming up with anything original here. See above post.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

So one could say that your being naive in thinking that you're the only one packing. Its not like your really coming up with anything original here. See above post.

Well sonny, if you want to go up against me, bring it on.
Otherwise, hold fast! !!!...!!!!

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

How do you know what they felt? How do know a gun would have made a difference in the outcome? Like I said, your probably just a regular guy that works on his car on the weekends like most of us. You may go to the range every now and then but I highly doubt you are a trained field officer or practice field combat techniques. There is a difference between using a gun on a stationary target and in a live intense situation. Its much like the kid who gets a black belt in Taekwondo in a year then goes to a bar and gets his *** kicked in a street fight. Real combat situations are always different and you do not know how well or proficient you will respond unless you train on a regular basis. You are assuming that your the only smart one and all criminals are too dumb to think that someone else may be packing.

How Helpful Are Concealed Weapons? | The Big Picture

Well, this senior citizen kicked you anti-gun blog BS out of the park. And it is a proven FACT, that crime is lower in areas where the 2nd is restrained.










Course the media left out this very import part about the guy who beheaded that woman in OK.




As to Baz's question, I would, I want more than one shot, for the same reasons others have stated. "IF" I feel the need to pull my weapon, it is for real. And I do spend time at the range killing paper & working on my grouping.


Course helps to have garbage disposal units near by

[afterburn 549]

This argument is worthless with out brains.
If you have a anti gun argument it only because you have been persuaded by the "feel good people" detached from reality and you volunteered to be sucked dry .
You ever see the elites with out armed body guards?
The other point is if everyone carried a gun there would be less crime .
Simple.
the brain washing starts at a very young age from the "new age" thinking .
No guns is a knee jerk reaction by the Jane fonda types that have no Fn clue.
Let me ask you ( those in favor of no guns)
You hear a thump in the night , you realize your under attack from robbers and rapist . They are in you room.
You want a gun or not?
Like i said this argument is worthless with out brains, too bad one can not buy them .

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

This is the full story. The husband was shot while he was opening his car door, but I'm sure you'll just discredit this article as well.

Man, 30, Shopping With Wife Killed in Carjacking at Upscale New Jersey Mall: Prosecutors | NBC New York

Your news story, much like your posts, conveniently leave out facts. He was confronted, pushed one of his attackers, and was shot.

Lawyer killed in mall carjacking was protecting wife | New York Post

I love how we can discuss stories like this, and the anti-gun crowd somehow twists it into why we SHOULDN'T be armed. Because I can assure you, the criminals will have guns regardless. This man HAD NO CHANCE. Had he been armed, perhaps it would have turned out the same. But at least he had a chance to even the odds.

I chose this story because you seem to believe that life in your comfy little cocoon is 100% safe. Maybe you live in a gated community, and you probably shop at upscale locations like the story in NJ. I'm sure he felt the exact same way. An attorney driving a Range Rover, shopping at an upscale shopping mall, crime won't happen to me!

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

How do you know what they felt? How do know a gun would have made a difference in the outcome? ...
Real combat situations are always different and you do not know how well or proficient you will respond unless you train on a regular basis. You are assuming that your the only smart one and all criminals are too dumb to think that someone else may be packing.

How Helpful Are Concealed Weapons? | The Big Picture

A couple of things:

In NJ, it is pretty much impossible to get a CCW. Does it help stop violent attacks? Um - I don't think so -- case in point - the VERY incident you are talking about.
No CCW means perps know that we are all potential sitting ducks! They could be 100% certain that Dustin Friedland would not have a firearm, so he and his wife were easy pickings in the Short Hills mall parking lot.

One just needs to view your video for 22 seconds, where it states they brought in 3 random people without any crisis training. I own a handgun -- before I even fired a single bullet out of it, I had taken two safety courses. I do have an out of state CCW permit, which allows me to carry in 40+ states other than NJ. In order to obtain that permit, I had to take a mandatory day-long training course which included crisis training, situationl awareness, and gun safety. I will be taking other training course soon at my range, where on any given weekend, there are several courses being offered on personal defense, gun safety and crisis management - they even have courses where they keep you up all night, and as you start the training course, they make you run around, get your heart rate up, and scare you to get your adrenaline going - trying to mimick the worst case scenario. (Gun For Hire - Woodland Park Range in Woodland Park, NJ <-- shameless plug)...
Bottom line: most people who own a firearm for protection are not stupid - they know they need training.

I recently heard a recording of a woman's 911 call. It was 10 minutes of agonizing intense moments as she described to the police a man who was seeking to break into her home, where she was alone. Her deceased husband taught her how to use a handgun. The guy broke in and attacked her, and there was a struggle, but she managed to fire off a couple of rounds from her revolver and was able to subdue the perp. Her deceased husband made sure she had training to be able to defend herself. Without the gun she would likely have been raped or killed.

Finally, consider this - if Dustin Friedland had the ability to carry a firearm, even without any training, he would have had significantly better odds that he would be alive today.

-Z-man.

[Rodsrsr]

I'm not anti-gun and I never said I was. Funny how one is labeled anti-gun and against 2nd amendment just because they choose not to carry. lol. I own three, a shotgun, a 357 magnum and a Colt 1911 Military edition. If I owned a small retail business you bet I would be armed at my shop, just as I am armed at my home. (like a few of the scenarios in the videos above) I just choose not to live my life in fear to the point that I feel a need to carry a lethal weapon on my person every time I'm outside. BTW, I do live in a nice neighborhood, not gated but a nice 5 acre property in a very upscale area and yes that will reduce (not eliminate) the odds of being a victim of a violent crime simply because the crime rate is much lower. Kinda like street fights. Why is it that ever since I stopped going out to clubs and bars I don't get in fights anymore? Funny how that works. There may be a point in time when I will decide its wise to carry, but I just haven't reached that point yet.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Rodsrsr

I'm not anti-gun and I never said I was. Funny how one is labeled anti-gun and against 2nd amendment just because they choose not to carry. lol. I own three, a shotgun, a 357 magnum and a Colt 1911 Military edition. If I owned a small retail business you bet I would be armed at my shop, just as I am armed at my home. (like a few of the scenarios in the videos above) I just choose not to live my life in fear to the point that I feel a need to carry a lethal weapon on my person every time I'm outside. BTW, I do live in a nice neighborhood, not gated but a nice 5 acre property in a very upscale area and yes that will reduce (not eliminate) the odds of being a victim of a violent crime simply because the crime rate is much lower. Kinda like street fights. Why is it that ever since I stopped going out to clubs and bars I don't get in fights anymore? Funny how that works. There may be a point in time when I will decide its wise to carry, but I just haven't reached that point yet.

I don't think anyone is criticizing you for not carrying. But rather your attitude that those who do carry live in fear is what's drawing ire. I can't remember the last time I was afraid of getting attacked by another person. And it's not because I always carry. That doesn't make me feel any more secure. It just reminds me that I have a fighting chance if some nutbag goes on a rampage where I happen to be. A carry piece is a last resort in a layered defense. First layer is avoiding trouble. Second layer is ALWAYS paying attention to your surroundings. The first is pretty easy, but the second is becoming very rare. You're no less dead if you walk in front of a moving car while staring at your phone than if you're shot by a homicidal maniac. But there are ways to avoid both situations. Am I a paranoid nut for ALWAYS noticing everything that happens within a 500' radius of me when out in public and never staring at my phone unless I am far removed from moving objects that can hurt me? My carrying a gun threatens no one, but others being glued to their phones is a constant threat on the roads when I drive or ride. I just choose to be prepared for everything I reasonably can be.

[onewhippedpuppy]

You spent three pages disparaging those who choose to legally carry as paranoid gun nuts, pretty quick reversal of position. I can't help but wonder how your location influences your statements on CCW, after all it's easier to say that you "choose" not to carry than to admit the fact that your state government makes it difficult or impossible to do so.

[vash]

A sheriff would give me a ccw. I don't want one.

I'm playing the odds. And I am always on alert. Keys ready etc.

[speeder]

I don't have time to read this whole thread but carrying a taser as a self-defense tool is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. A can of mace makes more sense if you don't want to carry a gun but want something other than your dick in your hand.

[Rodsrsr]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

You spent three pages disparaging those who choose to legally carry as paranoid gun nuts, pretty quick reversal of position. I can't help but wonder how your location influences your statements on CCW, after all it's easier to say that you "choose" not to carry than to admit the fact that your state government makes it difficult or impossible to do so.

My position hasn't changed at all. I think anyone who feels the need to carry a loaded gun 100% of the time is slightly paranoid. You think anyone who doesn't is an ignorant un-prepared fool whos living in a fantasy world. We just disagree that's all. I do like and practice Rick Lees 500' radius rule though.