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Shaun @ Tru6 12-08-2014 01:23 PM

I can't imagine my S, special ordered and the only one of its kind, even if restored by the factory, would bring more than $200K.

126coupe 12-08-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 8387352)
I can't imagine my S, special ordered and the only one of its kind, even if restored by the factory, would bring more than $200K.

My 300SL Gullwing was worth 600-700K 4 years ago, I turned down 2 Million from a serious buyer 1400 built.

]My 1969 911S Targa Ossi Blue, original owner, numbers matching according to the Porsche Gurus will be in the 400K range, maybe more.

I can see 911S's long hooded cars appreciating exponentially like the 300SL did.
I don't doubt the S cars doing this, doesn't matter I'm not selling just enjoying the ride

flskala 12-08-2014 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 8386596)
Right now you can buy a pretty good 911 between 10K and 20K.

This was supposed to be in green, right?...

Over the past year I can't count how many people have stopped me on the road, while parked, etc. to ask if my 911's are for sale. I agree with the ratchet effect mentioned previously. Face it, G50's, 964/2's, 993's will all be +$50k relatively 'soon.' Anything priced between 10-20k will likely resemble a skeleton you'll have to piece together...

motion 12-08-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flskala (Post 8387896)
This was supposed to be in green, right?...

Over the past year I can't count how many people have stopped me on the road, while parked, etc. to ask if my 911's are for sale. I agree with the ratchet effect mention previously. Face it, G50's, 964/2's, 993's will all be +$50k relatively 'soon.' Anything priced between 10-20k will likely resemble a skeleton you'll have to piece together...

I think he meant '99 or newer :D

Wonder when those cars will have their day?

sc_rufctr 12-08-2014 09:45 PM

So the BIG question....

What will a "nice" 78 SC be worth in 10 years time? lol ;)

Bill Douglas 12-08-2014 10:33 PM

Peter, what's your nice '78 worth in AUD$ today.

My '79 SC is about NZD$26,000 or $30,000 if the right person came along.

sc_rufctr 12-08-2014 10:54 PM

To sell right now realistically around $27,000 but again like yours maybe a bit more to the right buyer.

(My insurance policy has an agreed value of $35,000 for my 911)

The problem with local 911s is that a lot of them have been "molested" and as you know that always has a detrimental effect on value.

Someone is asking $34,900 for this 1977 Porsche 911. :confused:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1418107766.jpg

1977 Porsche 911

This is a little more interesting. A LHD 1965 Porsche 356C $70,000 (but personally I wouldn't buy a LHD)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1418107964.jpg

1965 Porsche 356C

porsche4life 12-08-2014 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 8387995)

Someone is asking $34,900 for this 1977 Porsche 911. :confused:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1418107766.jpg

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Why is it that they always have ungodly high asking prices on these hack jobs? Even more than what the car should be worth stock?

Noah930 12-08-2014 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sc_rufctr (Post 8387995)
Someone is asking $34,900 for this 1977 Porsche 911. :confused:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1418107766.jpg

Wow. That car has just about every undesirable 911 styling cue in existence, all rolled into one! Nice find.

maxnine11 12-08-2014 11:16 PM

^ ^ ^ might have been worse ...... could have been a targa

maxnine11 12-08-2014 11:17 PM

the above comment should be in green font, or greenish font

billh1963 12-09-2014 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 8387925)

Wonder when those cars will have their day?

Probably never. Way to many built and, even more importantly, lost the mystique of air cooled and "hand built".

Don't get me wrong, the new cars are way superior in every quantitative way. Qualitatively (sounds, feel, etc.) they don't measure up.

trader220 12-09-2014 06:16 AM

Agreed .... look at the 997 market these days. The prices are dropping like a rock.

Deschodt 12-09-2014 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by trader220 (Post 8388210)
Agreed .... look at the 997 market these days. The prices are dropping like a rock.

Depends. Porsche buying folks aren't stupid. By and large 996s and 997.1 suffer from well publicized mechanical issues (not saying it's true of all of them), but it's enough to affect their reputation and resale value. The pretty ones that are unaffected (mezger bottom end) are doing OK (GT3, turbos, ok not 996TT but I think those have hit the bottom now and are going up). I've been looking at 997.2s, and those are not dropping much at all ! GTS, ditto... 997 GT3s are going UP, and rare beasts like the 4.0 are already collectible !

I'm of the (maybe misguided) opinion that the 997.2 will become collectible because it's fast by modern standards, reliable, pretty in a 993 sort of way (arguably prettier than a 991), it still has a 6 speed box and hydraulic steering assist, and..... you can put a ducktail on it ;-) It's modern but still analog enough for us air-cooled old farts !

7 Speed manual 991s are just weird, and 911s are all about steering feel... That's just me. Please don't agree with me so I can buy one when the prices fall ! If I'm lucky I can do an even trade with my wife's 912 by then ;-)

PS: 996s are smoking deals now that people put out IMS repair kits and you can do those without a case split. But the interior remains too ugly (I had one) and those fried eggs headlights, ugh...

onewhippedpuppy 12-09-2014 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by motion (Post 8387925)
I think he meant '99 or newer :D

Wonder when those cars will have their day?

Never, because they were mass produced. Peak production year for the Carrera was 17074 in 1986. Peak production for the 996 was 33013 in 2002, and 38922 in 2007 for the 997. So they were making at least double the cars every single year. Some of the water cooled special editions are already appreciating like the 996 GT2 & GT3 and 997.2 GT3 4.0, but I doubt you'll ever see the normal 911s have the same collector value.

It's like my Mustang. I have a 1970 302/2 bbl, automatic, convertible, with 44k original miles. Totally restored it might be a $20k car, because they made approximately one billion of them. Now the car is worth exponentially more to me because it belonged to my grandfather, and I won't ever sell it.

Source for production numbers: Porsche 911 Production volumes

Scuba Steve 12-09-2014 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Deschodt (Post 8388338)
PS: 996s are smoking deals now that people put out IMS repair kits and you can do those without a case split. But the interior remains too ugly (I had one) and those fried eggs headlights, ugh...

Those two things are what keeps me away from them. It's not from looking back at things that are less stylish now; I wasn't that fond of the look 15 years ago either. The 997 fixes all of that for me.

billh1963 12-09-2014 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 8388396)

Source for production numbers: Porsche 911 Production volumes

Great link. The number of 2.7L cars was kind of low. Since they were unloved I wonder how many are left?

wdfifteen 12-09-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by flskala (Post 8387896)
Face it, G50's, 964/2's, 993's will all be +$50k relatively 'soon.'

Five years ago when I was agonizing over personalizing my original my '88 Carrera most of the advice I got was, "Go ahead, there are so many of them they'll never be worth anything." So now, with rolled fenders, modified heater, and deleted AC, what have I done to it's $50k potential?

Deschodt 12-09-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8388573)
Five years ago when I was agonizing over personalizing my original my '88 Carrera most of the advice I got was, "Go ahead, there are so many of them they'll never be worth anything." So now, with rolled fenders, modified heater, and deleted AC, what have I done to it's $50k potential?

You're telling the guy who backdated a perfectly fine SC ! ;-) and sold a perfect 356C (admittedly in need of paint) for $15K!!! Hindsight, etc... the hell with it, you did what you did to enjoy your car. Let the chips fall where they may ;-) I saw the early cars rise coming, but I admit I did not see Midyear/SC/Carreras joining the fray.

flskala 12-09-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8388573)
Five years ago when I was agonizing over personalizing my original my '88 Carrera most of the advice I got was, "Go ahead, there are so many of them they'll never be worth anything." So now, with rolled fenders, modified heater, and deleted AC, what have I done to it's $50k potential?

A car is original once, only once...
IMO, some of those mods are reversible. Funny now how 3.6 upgrades (with the original engine sold) and backdates may hurt the values. History repeats itself I guess - longhoods 'updated' to impact bumper look, etc... Down the line there will be opportunists buying these modded cars and trying to return them to original condition no doubt.

onewhippedpuppy 12-09-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by billh1963 (Post 8388440)
Great link. The number of 2.7L cars was kind of low. Since they were unloved I wonder how many are left?

Probably not a lot. Seems like every "custom" hack job 911 was based on a mid-year car.

billh1963 12-09-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 8388777)
Probably not a lot. Seems like every "custom" hack job 911 was based on a mid-year car.

That's why I'm protecting my '76!

DanielDudley 12-09-2014 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 8388573)
Five years ago when I was agonizing over personalizing my original my '88 Carrera most of the advice I got was, "Go ahead, there are so many of them they'll never be worth anything." So now, with rolled fenders, modified heater, and deleted AC, what have I done to it's $50k potential?

Still lots of magazine articles about cars that run like the wind.

Noah930 12-09-2014 08:19 PM

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^ ^ ^ might have been worse ...... could have been a targa
Ha ha. Was thinking that as I was writing my post, but didn't want to insult any targa owners. :) (just a little good-natured ribbing)

72doug2,2S 12-09-2014 09:11 PM

I hope my wife doesn't find this thread. I'd rather not sell the 72T, no matter what....UUUUGGG!

BE911SC 12-10-2014 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by flskala (Post 8388714)
A car is original once, only once...
IMO, some of those mods are reversible. Funny now how 3.6 upgrades (with the original engine sold) and backdates may hurt the values. History repeats itself I guess - longhoods 'updated' to impact bumper look, etc... Down the line there will be opportunists buying these modded cars and trying to return them to original condition no doubt.

That's what happened with the '60s musclecar guys. They threw away all the "uncool" stuff from those SS454 Chevelles and Boss Mustangs and now you have to pay almost 6,000 bucks for an air cleaner and 1,000 for the correct chrome exhaust tips.

To expand on the slang term 'virgin car,' we fondled and molested and basically raped thousands upon thousands of American musclecars over the years and now the big money only wants the virgins--or what appear to be virgins.

intakexhaust 01-12-2015 10:37 PM

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1-ev.com 01-18-2015 07:32 AM

As ALWAYS... Wayne IS Right PLUS Porsche market is unique due to the fact that is it worldwide and Long Hoods are rusting away FOREVER !!!... :(

... and for living I am working with many investors that buying assets like no tomorrow... just saying...

PS:
I hope all you noticed this thread started with car that has been SOLD for...

Winning bid:US $132,500.00 [ 43 bids ]

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Originally Posted by Wayne at Pelican Parts (Post 8312565)
I've mentioned this before in posts, and it's just my opinion, but I think that inflation is here and active in the high end of almost all collectible markets. With the stock market at all time highs (due to cheap money floating around), and banks actually charging people to store their money (see article Friday in WSJ), there's no incentive to "save" money via traditional channels (interest bearing accounts, bonds, etc.). So, this money has to go somewhere. So, people with money appear to be purchasing hard assets (cars, art, real estate) which is then pushing prices higher every day. I've been buying cars now heavily for the past 5 years because I thought they were better investments than the stock market or bonds, etc. I've also bought some real estate. The mantra is to borrow as much as you can at low *fixed* rates these days, as the impending inflation is coming soon. There's all this talk about deflation, and the like, but the fact of the matter is that the money supply has been expanded significantly, and there's more money now chasing a fixed number of assets. That is why, in my opinion, we've seen such gains in the car market. It's a neat asset that is appreciating, and it's way more fun to own than stocks or bonds! :)

-Wayne



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