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nostatic 11-23-2014 08:07 PM
Long-term effects of marijuana use on the brain

JD159 11-23-2014 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8367729)
What article? You did not post one or a link to one (wonder why?). The words you posted had info from 1999 and 2006. Yes, 2006 is also very old science. Try a study from 2013 or 2014.
Is 2012 too old????

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J Sch Health. 2012 Aug;82(8):371-9. doi: 10.1111/j.1746-1561.2012.00712.x.
Alcohol as a gateway drug: a study of US 12th graders.
Kirby T1, Barry AE.
Author information
Abstract
BACKGROUND:
The Gateway Drug Theory suggests that licit drugs, such as tobacco and alcohol, serve as a "gateway" toward the use of other, illicit drugs. However, there remains some discrepancy regarding which drug-alcohol, tobacco, or even marijuana-serves as the initial "gateway" drug subsequently leading to the use of illicit drugs such as cocaine and heroin. The purpose of this investigation was to determine which drug (alcohol, tobacco, or marijuana) was the actual "gateway" drug leading to additional substance use among a nationally representative sample of high school seniors.
METHODS:
This investigation conducted a secondary analysis of the 2008 Monitoring the Future 12th-grade data. Initiation into alcohol, tobacco, and other drug use was analyzed using a Guttman scale. Coefficients of reliability and scalability were calculated to evaluate scale fit. Subsequent cross tabulations and chi-square test for independence were conducted to better understand the relationship between the identified gateway drug and other substances' use.
RESULTS:
Results from the Guttman scale indicated that alcohol represented the "gateway" drug, leading to the use of tobacco, marijuana, and other illicit substances. Moreover, students who used alcohol exhibited a significantly greater likelihood of using both licit and illicit drugs.
CONCLUSION:
The findings from this investigation support that alcohol should receive primary attention in school-based substance abuse prevention programming, as the use of other substances could be impacted by delaying or preventing alcohol use. Therefore, it seems prudent for school and public health officials to focus prevention efforts, policies, and monies, on addressing adolescent alcohol us
That's from - US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
Link here - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22712674

fintstone 11-23-2014 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nynor (Post 8367717)
2006 and 2009 aren't current enough for you? come on, fint.
No, not when the newer studies are longer and much more in depth (Much better studies) and they disprove the older ones.

fintstone 11-23-2014 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JD159 (Post 8367730)
This study does indicate that MJ is not a gateway drug. Did you read it?

fintstone 11-23-2014 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JD159 (Post 8367740)
Is 2012 too old????



That's from - US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health
Link here - Alcohol as a gateway drug: a study of US 12th graders. - PubMed - NCBI
This study does indicate that MJ is not a gateway drug. Did you read it?

nostatic 11-23-2014 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8367726)

Among those who are heavy smokers, studies show lower IQ, ambition, etc...higher work performance problems, etc.
Not everyone is a heavy smoker. If you want to talk about deleterious effects on health and society, look at heavy drinkers.

Anyone who drinks alcohol but is against marijuana legalization is a hypocrite. Alcohol doesn't need a gateway drug - it already is the abuse substance of choice from drink one. Nothing wrong with being a hypocrite...just own it.

Nothing is without ill effect. And in fact one could argue that anyone who is overweight yet anti-pot is similarly a hypocrite. "Heavy eating" results in a higher incidence of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, etc, causes a far greater cost to society.

At some point a civilized society draws lines. The one over pot is all about money and not at all about "health." If people are so concerned about health and well-being, there are far more dangerous things to control or ban.

fintstone 11-23-2014 08:18 PM
NIDA review summarizes research on marijuana’s negative health effects

JD159 11-23-2014 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8367746)
This study does indicate that MJ is not a gateway drug. Did you read it?
Quote:
One of
the main findings of this study is that there is a high rate of
nonconformance with this temporal order. In a neighborhood
where there is high drug availability, youths who have
low parental supervision are likely to regularly consume
marijuana before alcohol and/or tobacco. Consumption of
marijuana prior to use of licit drugs thus appears to be related
to contextual factors rather than to any unique characteristics
of the individual. Moreover, this reverse pattern
is not rare; it was observed in over 20% of our sample.
An adjustment style featured by delinquency, affiliation
with deviant peers, and low connectedness to school is associated
with the transition from licit to illicit drug use.
Kandel and Yamaguchi (28) similarly concluded that deviancy
and affiliation with nonnormative peers are associated
with marijuana use. In effect, the greater the deviancy,
the more likely an individual is to use an illegal drug.
These findings underscore the need to prevent conduct
problems in early childhood to diminish the risk of later illicit
drug use.
What this means is that the transition to more illicit drugs is contextual, not dependent on MJ, and highly dependent on the individual, their values, upbringings, and socioeconomic status.

Flint I have done everything you asked. I've found scientific articles from 1999, 2006, and 2012. I have highlighted conclusions. I have linked to the sources.

fintstone 11-23-2014 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nostatic (Post 8367747)
Not everyone is a heavy smoker. If you want to talk about deleterious effects on health and society, look at heavy drinkers.

Anyone who drinks alcohol but is against marijuana legalization is a hypocrite. Alcohol doesn't need a gateway drug - it already is the abuse substance of choice from drink one. Nothing wrong with being a hypocrite...just own it.

Nothing is without ill effect. And in fact one could argue that anyone who is overweight yet anti-pot is similarly a hypocrite. "Heavy eating" results in a higher incidence of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, etc, causes a far greater cost to society.

At some point a civilized society draws lines. The one over pot is all about money and not at all about "health." If people are so concerned about health and well-being, there are far more dangerous things to control or ban.
I am not arguing to legalize alcohol or overeating.

fintstone 11-23-2014 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JD159 (Post 8367754)
What this means is that the transition to more illicit drugs is contextual, not dependent on MJ.
No it doesn't. It does not elminate MJ as a gateway drug whatsoever. It only points out other things corelate with drug use...which was really never in question.

JD159 11-23-2014 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8367757)
No it doesn't. It does not elminate MJ as a gateway drug whatsoever. It only points out other things corelate with drug use...which was really never in question.
Quote:
While the gateway theory posits that each type of drug is associated with certain specific risk factors that cause the use of subsequent drugs, such as cigarettes or alcohol leading to marijuana, this study’s findings indicate that environmental aspects have stronger influence on which type of substance is used. That is, if it’s easier for a teen to get his hands on marijuana than beer, then he’ll be more likely to smoke pot. This evidence supports what’s known as the common liability model, an emerging theory that states the likelihood that someone will transition to the use of illegal drugs is determined not by the preceding use of a particular drug but instead by the user’s individual tendencies and environmental circumstances.
...

JD159 11-23-2014 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8367750)
I don't advocate making MJ available to teens, which is whom the article generally concerns.

fintstone 11-23-2014 08:32 PM
Cannabis Use during Adolescent Development: Susceptibility to Psychiatric Illness
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fintstone 11-23-2014 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JD159 (Post 8367762)
..While the gateway theory posits that each type of drug is associated with certain specific risk factors that cause the use of subsequent drugs, such as cigarettes or alcohol leading to marijuana, this study’s findings indicate that environmental aspects have stronger influence on which type of substance is used. That is, if it’s easier for a teen to get his hands on marijuana than beer, then he’ll be more likely to smoke pot. This evidence supports what’s known as the common liability model, an emerging theory that states the likelihood that someone will transition to the use of illegal drugs is determined not by the preceding use of a particular drug but instead by the user’s individual tendencies and environmental circumstances..
Yep, it still says the same thing. It does not elminate MJ as a gateway drug whatsoever. It only points out other things corelate with drug use...which was really never in question.

nynor 11-23-2014 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8367746)
This study does indicate that MJ is not a gateway drug. Did you read it?
um.... if the study indicates that MJ is NOT a gateway drug, what's the problem.

and you still haven't told us why you are against folks using MJ.....

JD159 11-23-2014 08:34 PM
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Adolescence begins with the onset of physiologically normal puberty, and ends when an adult identity and behaviour are accepted. This period of development corresponds roughly to the period between the ages of 10 and 19 years, which is consistent with the World Health Organization's definition of adolescence.
Again, I don't think selling marijuana to anyone under who is not age of majority should be legal.

fintstone 11-23-2014 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JD159 (Post 8367764)
I don't advocate making MJ available to teens, which is whom the article generally concerns.
That is exactly what making it legal does. Makes it more available to everyone.

JD159 11-23-2014 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8367772)
Yep, it still says the same thing. It does not elminate MJ as a gateway drug whatsoever. It only points out other things corelate with drug use...which was really never in question.
use of illegal drugs is determined not by the preceding use of a particular drug

Yes it does. (That's a quote, from the article, fyi)

JD159 11-23-2014 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 8367778)
That is exactly what making it legal does. Makes it more available to everyone.
Seems like it's pretty available already. Oh wait, that's anecdotal. Disregard.

nynor 11-23-2014 08:43 PM
more available? as a teen in mormon-ville utah, i could get the stuff with little trouble.....


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