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Crowbob 02-11-2015 05:15 AM

Lyin' Brian is done but the question is is NBC done?

afterburn 549 02-11-2015 05:33 AM

He is a branch in the tree of NBC

Tervuren 02-11-2015 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Baz (Post 8481651)
Looking at the big picture, I've always felt the mainstream media was responsible for most of the country's discord. This little incident should come as no surprise. News people are parasites....and worse.

+1

For me, I don't know the network(s), but a very clear example, was showing OIL FIRES when talking about the Japan nuclear reactor fire. The reactor explosion was hydrogen/oxygen into water, creating a cloud of steam obscuring any flames. Very boring, and its conditions with its own oxygen let it explode/burn in seconds. Boring footage, lets show them great orange flames and lots of black smoke from a refinery because it looks more evil. :rolleyes:

Don't let facts get in the way of keeping people ansy and fearful, fearful people tune in again.

KNS 02-11-2015 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 8481651)
Looking at the big picture, I've always felt the mainstream media was responsible for most of the country's discord.

Completely agree!

sammyg2 02-11-2015 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 8481710)
+1

For me, I don't know the network(s), but a very clear example, was showing OIL FIRES when talking about the Japan nuclear reactor fire. The reactor explosion was hydrogen/oxygen into water, creating a cloud of steam obscuring any flames. Very boring, and its conditions with its own oxygen let it explode/burn in seconds. Boring footage, lets show them great orange flames and lots of black smoke from a refinery because it looks more evil. :rolleyes:

Don't let facts get in the way of keeping people ansy and fearful, fearful people tune in again.

IIRC, it was NBC (dateline) who rigged the GMC trucks with model rocket engines on the gas tanks to make sure any fuel leaks caught fire after side impact.

You'd think they'd get the hint that lying doan work in the long run.

javadog 02-11-2015 05:57 AM

In this day and age, people in high places will be scrutinized by small-minded irrelevant *******s and anything they said or did at some point in their lives will be brought into the light for the great unwashed to examine, ridicule and sensationalize. It's pointless, as there isn't a human on earth that hasn't said, or done, something stupid at some point. Fortunately for the great unwashed, their lives are so insignificant to the rest of the herd that they will escape scrutiny.

This is all bull**** and it's not newsworthy.

JR

Crowbob 02-11-2015 06:32 AM

It might be BS to you, Javadog. But most of us don't think our lives are as insignificant as you do yours, apparently. What Brian Williams did was not only stupid. It was also pathological, not to mention a betrayal and most importantly repeated over many years. In addition, most small-minded unwashed and irrelevant ********s will forgive people of their mistakes as you seem to be espousing. However, when the leading evening network newscaster is found out to be a poser and a serial liar, it is newsworthy, relevant in this day and age and not simply a mistake.

Serious people, you may even know some, are looking for the truth. They will not find it in Brian Williams and NBC fears they will not find it anywhere in NBC and will stop looking.

island911 02-11-2015 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 8481789)
... What Brian Williams did was not only stupid. It was also pathological, ....

that is a really good point.

what's weird is how some are drawn to the pathological liars. (Hopey Changey and other good yarns, suck 'em in, in mass..)

sammyg2 02-11-2015 06:44 AM

Evidently some folks value honesty more than others.

javadog 02-11-2015 06:45 AM

If anybody is naive enough to think that the media gets everything 100% correct, and nobody ever spins a point of view, then they deserve to be duped. Even when they don't intentionally misrepresent or spin a story, they seldom know enough about what they are reporting on to get the facts right. And in a breaking news story, it wouldn't surprise me if half of the content is proven to be wrong, hours or days later.

Ask yourself if you've ever told a lie. Ever exaggerated something? Cheated, in any way? Failed to correct an obvious error on someone else's part that may have benefitted you? Taken a shortcut in performing a task? Lusted over someone that is not your partner?

The point I was making is that we hold celebrities to higher standards than we hold ourselves and we take "the news" too seriously. I'm not against learning what is going on but it is not presented in any manner other than entertainment. You think a report that is given from the White House lawn has any more substance than if that same report was given from a chair in the news room?

JR

island911 02-11-2015 06:48 AM

LOL

yeah, a first-hand account embellished to the max (for personal gain) is just like a misspelled name in the obituaries

island911 02-11-2015 06:51 AM

Manufacturing stories is not on par with oops - misread a few details.

good god, java. what are u smoking?

legion 02-11-2015 06:54 AM

The media doesn't get a lot right immediately, but if they correct themselves and honestly explain why mistakes were made, they could maintain credibility.

Brian Williams should have said that he got caught up telling a good story on Letterman. Instead he gave us BS about how he "misremembered".

javadog 02-11-2015 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8481829)
Manufacturing stories is not on par with oops - misread a few details.

good god, java. what are u smoking?

Not smoking anything. Also, not excusing what he did, just saying he's getting screwed over by people that are no better than he is.

Here's Wolf, filming "an exclusive report" from the White House lawn:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1423670282.jpg

island911 02-11-2015 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8481839)
Not smoking anything. Also, not excusing what he did, just saying he's getting screwed over by people that are no better than he is....

Wow.

Are you Sure that you're not making excesses for him? Because "everybody does it" sure sounds like an excuse.

Oh, and I'mma gunna go out on a limb here and say; he's getting screwed over by people that are <strike>no</strike> better than he is. For all they are doing is trying to tell the truth of the matter.

island911 02-11-2015 07:10 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...inconsent2.jpg

Crowbob 02-11-2015 07:12 AM

I'll take your word for whatever the point was that you say you were trying to make, JR. As such, you are mistaken. Brian Williams thought he was a celebrity and so believed he would be held to a LOWER standard.

As far as the veracity of report being a function of from whence it came is not so important to me as what the report says and who is saying it-and why.

Ironically, some of the reports that don't get aired are just as relevant and important as the ones that do. Sharyl Atkisson seems to have woken up to this, finally.

javadog 02-11-2015 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 8481856)
Are you Sure that you're not making excesses for him? Because "everybody does it" sure sounds like an excuse.

Clearly, you aren't understanding the point I'm trying to make.

JR

island911 02-11-2015 07:19 AM

it is not " the point I'm trying to make. "

It's the point you are trying to weight.

that is, you are putting far too much weight on "everybody does it"

Heavy leaning on this moral equivalence argument is so tired and over used.

island911 02-11-2015 07:21 AM

Exactly this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 8481807)
Evidently some folks value honesty more than others.



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