A320 Down

[greglepore]

Really sad. French press conference, prosecutor confirms that pilot locked in cockpit is heard to manipulate flight management system to select altitude, and sounds of breathing heard all of the way to the ground. One can only assume intentional act.

[Chocaholic]

The names and histories of the pilots would be helpful, I think.

Wondering same. They know who the pilot and co-pilots are. Their families have been notified, yet no names or info being released. Have to wonder if the co-pilot decided to take out 150 infidels. I can't be the only one wondering this!

[Nate2046]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Wondering same. They know who the pilot and co-pilots are. Their families have been notified, yet no names or info being released. Have to wonder if the co-pilot decided to take out 150 infidels. I can't be the only one wondering this!

They just released the name. Didn't indicate any of the telltales of what you're describing from the CVR. Just steady breathing all the way down, no religious proclamations or anything of that sort.

[Neilk]

Wow, if it's true that the co-pilot took the plane down, there are going to be some really upset pilots. There have been calls for more cockpit monitoring for years that have been vehemently opposed by pilots. This incident might make cockpit monitoring and even remote control a reality.

We've lost two planes in the past year due to probable criminal actions by pilots.

Lastly, this is awful for all families involved, but can you imagine being the parents of the co-pilot? They must be really shocked. What a tragedy.

[ossiblue]

USA Today reports copilot locked out pilot, set the plane to descend, and sat quietly until the crash. Sounds of banging, alarms, and screaming from passengers could be heard in the background. No evidence of reason for deliberate crashing of plane.

Officials: Co-pilot deliberately crashed Flight 9525

[LakeCleElum]

Co-Pilot - I'd speculate Women problems...........And, I usually don't speculate...

[rick-l]

Originally Posted by red-beard

The report is that there is a keypad and code to get in, but there is a delay and an alarm. During that time, someone in the cockpit can press a button and cancel the door opening, to prevent a coerced entry.

here is how it works
Cockpit Door Panel | Cockpit Door Switch
Have more lives been lost from pilot suicides than terrorist actions?

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by LakeCleElum

Co-Pilot - I'd speculate Women problems...........And, I usually don't speculate...

WTF is wrong with people! If you want to off yourself so be it but take a whole plane full of innocents with you? WTF!?!

Sorry for the rant... just heard from my nephew's wife a co-worker was on the plane... a college student.

[Cajundaddy]

So far this looks like the third mass-murder-suicide-by-pilot incident in recent history including Egypt Air 990 and MH370. No known motive for this one as yet. Chilling.

[pavulon]

There is a trove of high-functioning, mentally-ill people working in all manner of work lines. Look around. It's everywhere. Probably always has been.

Originally Posted by scottmandue

WTF is wrong with people! If you want to off yourself so be it but take a whole plane full of innocents with you? WTF!?!

Sorry for the rant... just heard from my nephew's wife a co-worker was on the plane... a college student.

[Deschodt]

So now we have the exact opposite scenario of the one that created this situation. Doors were made harder too breach after 9/11. Now they probably should be made easier to breach.
At least we're off the Airbus/Boeing thing, unless Boeing cockpit doors are somehow better ?

Seriously though, I find it hard to believe a determined pilot with passenger help could not break that door with their life on the line. Also kinda weird the copilot would not issue any statement, radio message, last letter, nothing..

[gordner]

I did the door mod on a couple of 737's after 9/11, and determined or not, you are not going through that door without someone opening it.

[greglepore]

Germanwings is set to restructure with a 40% decrease in pay for flight crews...

[Deschodt]

Originally Posted by gordner

I did the door mod on a couple of 737's after 9/11, and determined or not, you are not going through that door without someone opening it.

Good to know, thanks !! Not even with a loaded cart food cart as a ram ? I guess that might have to be reversed, then. Sounds like what we need is a "delay" door that lets an air marshall or passengers come help. A totally unbreachable door clearly poses issues of its own ;-(

At least it opens when the cockpit is depressurized, correct ?

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

So far this looks like the third mass-murder-suicide-by-pilot incident in recent history including Egypt Air 990 and MH370. No known motive for this one as yet. Chilling.

News this morning was reporting 5 since 1980, not counting MH370

[BE911SC]

I blame their Human Resources department. Pilots used to do most of the hiring until the PC Police stepped in and gave the job to people who have no idea about aviation or anything else. In an interview process real pilots can spot a lunatic, sociopath, head case, or just a lousy flyer in about five seconds. Have four captains stare you down in an interview and if you're a loser you'll start sweating and pulling at your collar. If you're competent and level-headed then that will come through and you'll get hired. Also, low cost carrier. Pay someone a decent wage and he'll be less likely to do something insane like this. Can you imagine Delta having this happen? Not when you make 150-250K+ a year. Low-cost carriers attract the dregs who can't get hired by, say, Delta or Lufthansa, and they sneak through the HR hiring process because the low-cost carrier needs pilots badly.

End of rant.

[red-beard]

The end result of this will be the same "2 man" regulation we have in the US. If the Pilot leaves for the bathroom, Head Flight Attendant goes into the cockpit.

[Hawkeye's-911T]

By Brown747: Richard Quest and CNN.....tools

How about....wedges....real simple tools. Once again, cnn seem hell-bent on setting new abject standards in 'broadcast journalism' - it, in & of itself, an oxymoron (??).

In the cold light of day, this incident has the elements of a horrible & senseless tragedy, but by employing sound proven investigative procedures (without all the gadfly speculation & conjecture) coupled with post crash analysis & a little luck, just maybe we'll get the real answers to all of this & avoid similar occurrences in the future.

May God rest their souls

JB

[BE911SC]

The bubble-headed bleach-blonde comes on at five. She can tell you 'bout the plane crash with a gleam in her eye.

--Don Henley

[scottbombedout]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Wondering same. They know who the pilot and co-pilots are. Their families have been notified, yet no names or info being released. Have to wonder if the co-pilot decided to take out 150 infidels. I can't be the only one wondering this!

I won't even bother.