The Taurus is really ugly to shoot as well. You won't like it. Just get a compact .380 and use bird shot in it. Say two rounds of bird shot and the rest of the mag. your choice of ball ammo

Yeah, I've been focused on what I usually carry/shoot (aka my .45), and didn't even know about small caliber "rat shot" loads. I think a .22 revolver with some snake shot is the best solution for the mission. Desired result with less noise and collateral damage.

btw, I'd read the same thing about the Taurus PP being uncomfortable to fire, glad I didn't waste the $$.

Thanks!

I looked at a few Taurus .22LR revolvers when I was shopping for my son for Christmas. They were all poorly finished and felt really cheap.

Walther PPK vs. PPK/S:

PPK/S has a little longer grip and thus can hold more rounds (7 + 1) and is a little easier to hold (pinky doesn't slip off as easily). But the PPK has exposed metal backstrap which can make it a little less comfortable to shoot.

PPK - more comfortable backstrap (no exposed metal around back), but without the mag extension on the clip, the grip is shorter, and my not have room for my pinky. Only holds 6 +1 rounds. PPK has more historical significance than the PPK/S.

The PPK/S was created by grafting the barrel and upper of the PPK with the grip and frame of the PP - in order to comply with the Ban act of 1968 - the PPK was too small to be imported.

What would you choose?

-Z

Can you shoot them side by side before buying? If so, choose the one that you shoot better, fits you better, or is easier to carry. If everything is equal, whichever one you can get the better deal on.

Same price for either PPK. Unfortunately, I don't have an opportunity to shoot either.

-Z

I have a S&W PPK, .380 and really like it. Trigger is a bit stiff but pretty accurate. A classic looking spoon for sure. I have a Galco executive shoulder holster I carry it in. You don't even know you're carrying.

It's not as nice as the West German variant I had a few years ago but still a PPK.

Just shop gun broker for a .380 PP. Longer barrel longer grip, the best of both guns. I like mine a lot..
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1430178056.jpg

this is my PP made in Zella Mehlis, the original factory, in 1935....

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1430178336.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1430178351.jpg

A gun shop I know is selling a PP for $600 out the door - but the slide was re-blued, and all markings have been rubbed off. Not sure if that was an oversight, or if whoever did the work was trying to hide something...

Thoughts?
-Z

Nice Walthers there Dave.

Thank you Bill.

Z it still had serial numbers on it..right? If so, and it was a .380, that is a smoking deal. It's just going to be a shooter, not an investment gun, so if I were you, and I wanted a Walther, I would grab it.

Update:

Still looking for a Walther PP/PPK/PPKS - and that used PP I mentioned above is the one I'm leaning towards.
targa - yes - it has the serial number on the gun itself, but not on the slide. It is chambered in .32 acp, making it a bit more intruiging for me. Is it an issue if the s/n is not on the slide?

I did some search, and according to a Walther PP site, based on the serial number (23xxxx P), it was made in 1942. It does have the proof stamped on the side near the trigger, but I don't recall exactly what it is (I seem to recall an "N," which is a valid German stamping)

It would essentially be just a shooter, but given this new research, I'm thinking that would be a cool firearm to have, despite its imperfections.

That would be an N over an eagle. The Eagle/N is the Nazi-era commercial proof stamp.Made in 42. So that makes it a Zella- Mehlis mfg gun. That is cool. Just like mine..there are no numbers on the slide. Only on the frame. Considering that this will only be a shooter, If I were you I would grab it. Early PP guns from Zella are very desirable. Yours has been altered but it is still a Zella gun. Personally I like 32 ACP. I qualified with a Colt 32 auto.

Called the gun shop where the spoon is located, and they did not see the N / Eagle markings. Either they couldn't see it, or the proof has been rubbed off when it was reconditioned. Will check tonight.

-Z

those proof marks should be on the barrel as well. It would be visible were the ejection port is. Man they must have buffed the heck out of that baby. Looking at my gun, the other proof mark is indeed on the slide, and on yours it would be gone. Mine has a crown over the N.In this picture although faint you can see they are right under / over each other. One on the slide one on the barrel..

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1432144018.jpg

targa - thanks! Now I know where to look for the proof marks!

-Z

some have them on the side of the trigger ring as well.

Tons of info here: Modern Firearms - Walther PP & PPK

Well, here it is, a Walther PP, made in 1942 in the Zella factory in the middle of WWII:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1432173698.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1432173760.jpg

Proof mark is half-rubbed off, but would that be the right wing of an eagle?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1432173740.jpg

Side by side with the HK P30 (chambered in 9mm):
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1432174076.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1432173844.jpg