RGruppe; Atitude; or not

[island911]

Some recent comment on the "Good Name For An East Coast Early Porsche Club" got me confused as to what RGruppe is.

Originally posted by RLJ
. . Where did you get the idea that only early 911 owners could join the gruppe?

I will tell you one more time!

Membership in the R Gruppe is based MORE on attitude, or lack of attitued (no egeos), than the car you drive, we have 914, 356, C-2, 996 GT-2(Pikes Peak winner), 912, and yes R, RS, and RSR owners. . . .

That thinking is in shrap contrast to earlier R Gruppe words. . .

Originally posted by RSupdate
Wow.... I'm surprised, I am being accused of an "attitude"...

I was just trying to illustrate the simple fact that the original and still current concept behind RGruppe is the fact that it is built around Porsche's original ideas . . . which was exclusively about the first generation of 911's. Which for those of us that are not quite sure, was '66 to '73.
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That is also what RGruppe cars are all about also. Out here on the left coast RGruppe cars don't have short hoods, DOT impact bumpers, electric outside rear view mirrors, in-glass rear defrost systems, a/c, cats, pre-mufflers etc.... They are lite, lean and mean pre-smog 911's.
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There certainly are conflicting messages as to the RGruppe theme.

So which is it? Or, at least, what's the outside perception of the RGruppe. (This means RGruppe members stay out of the poll.)

[curtisaa]

We are sworn not to reveal these things to SCWDP members...it could comprimise our postion in the Porsche community..

[Tyson Schmidt]

I'd like that question answered too. I'm not sure if my '72, with it's Cabriolet conversion and C2 tail and rockers would fit in. Still has the early front end. Looks like John Walker's '73 Speedster, but a Cab instead. (And no paint yet.)

I always wonderd if it had to be period correct, or if it just had to have certain aspects of the early car.

[Randy W]

I did not vote in the poll, but I would like to offer some insight into "our group". I cannot speak for Cris or Freeman, but I have been to Cambria for all the R Gruppe events and count many of the members as my friends. My take on the R Gruppe is that a bunch of early 911 guys with sport mods on their cars get together informally to drive with passion and talk with passion about something that means alot to them. Ideally the cars would have all the "attitude" and the owners would not. For the most part, I believe this is true, but we are human and we do tend to personalize our relationships with our cars, for better or worse. We have no intention to dominate the world! Actually the opposite may be true - but I do not set policy, I just enjoy it for what it is and don't analyze it too much.

Tyson, you and your car are welcome as far as I'm concerned, as are '74 Carreras and modified 914s!

[RSupdate]

I have to admit I was a bit surprised at RLJ's post in the other thread, because although there is indeed the "occasional" p-car of "non early 911" decent, i.e. 356, 914 etc...My understanding of their inclusion in RGruppe is based upon Herr Gruppmeisters self proclaimed, and rightly so, "powers of executive decision".

The few non-early 911's and other P-cars that are regognized as being part of RGruppe are very much in the minority, so much so that one definitely notices their presence...but they all share that certain look.....and are all welcome.

Personally, I feel within the parameters of what I understand Rgruppe to be, "period correctness" does count to a certian degree...that's my main reason why I'm still in the middle of back dating all the "updates" the previous owner did to my '73 But it isn't the "end-all" in determining anything, and there are a few late cars running with us all the time.

On the otherhand, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here, When one first finds out about the RGruppe, the realization that it is a bunch of guys who are nuts about early hot rod 911's comes with little investigation. So, knowing that up front, if "I" wanted to be part of that group, and this is just me mind you, I would want my car to be viewed as one that would "fit in" to the existing parameters, no matter how loose they are percieved to be...but again, that just me.

RLJ is absolutely correct in saying that we leave our ego's in the car. Let the car itself give off attitude....and that creedo really has worked well...in fact the times I've walked past RLJ's monster 911 I've found myself looking down at the ground to avoid "eye" contact with it...major 'tude comin' off his ride !!

The thread which the quotes above were extracted in part from, also had an excellent post by Rick Cabell, who is a very highly respected RGruppe member and I personally feel he really it put to the point, short & sweet. I took the liberty of copying it for use here:

"The Rgruppe is primarily a group of enthusists who are not into 100% accurate restoration like the PCA concour events. A 912 body with a 935 engine is just fine. The club focuses on the 65-73 911 cars. S, T or E. Makes no differance"

That's it really, No more, no less.

btw...the quote of what I said at the start of this thread was chopped & diced to fit the slant of the poll, so in all fairness if anyone wants to read my post in it's entirty, including my appology to anyone I may have offended at the time, please go to the "Good name for an east coast early porsche club" thread, page two.


and remember, it's all good !!

cheers!

[island911]

Originally posted by RSupdate
. . btw...the quote of what I said at the start of this thread was chopped & diced to fit the slant of the poll, so in all fairness if anyone wants to read my post in it's entirty, including my appology to anyone I may have offended at the time, please go to the "Good name for an east coast early porsche club" thread, page two.
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Just as I am here quoting a snippet, for brevity and highlight of pertinent content, the prior quotes where done. Please let me know if I truncated your post in a way that misleads, in your opinion.

Beyond that, I v'e got to ask; are carbon-fiber, splitters & Vario-ram "Period Correct"?

. .and whats with those fancey opening qtr-windows?

[JSDSKI]

If the cars have the attitude (probably decked from rear to front) and the owners try to minimize their attitude (probably up from down) and everything else is up for grabs - that seems ok to me - It's when an owners attitude takes on altitude that I get nervous.

[pwd72s]

Island...er, Dr. Island to me, I presume: (rolleyes) R we having fun yet? Gosh, I LOVE you SC guys...I really do. Hell, once...in a far away galaxy, long long ago, I actually thought of adding SC flares to the rear fenders of my car. Whaz da problem? BTW, I feel left out. You didn't choose to snippet quote me. Turn off the radio & TV, I suspect you've been around too many of the current political ads. Paul (also R Gruppe member #15)

[island911]

Originally posted by pwd72s
You didn't choose to snippet quote me. Turn off the radio & TV, I suspect you've been around too many of the current political ads. Paul (also R Gruppe member #15)

There! . . .feel better?
Though, I'll have to give more attention to TV/Radio to understand why you would come to that conclusion.

BTW, it's a multi-select poll; you can "vote" on more than one option. . . .I didn't want to limit the options.
For that matter, if anyone thinks the poll gives nothing but false options, please post the better versions.

[Efrain68912]

My experience with R-Gruppe: "No egos" fits the bill perfectly. Just guys who like hot-rodding Porsches and talking about them. They even welcomed my 912 to the group.

[ted]

You’re a good Kraut JR.

Why are all the SC owners DRs?
My perception of the whole bogus DR deal is increased emphasis on owner attitude, perhaps with less emphasis on the P car itself.

Would I create a poll for this perception, not likely.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by ted
My perception of the whole bogus DR deal is increased emphasis on owner attitude, perhaps with less emphasis on the P car itself

Some people own Porsches because of the associated image. Some own *despite* the image. Luckily, there is room for both. But I think I can speak for most of the good doctors when I say one key to life is not taking it toooooo seriously. Well, that and "evil rules." muhahaha.

Besides, SCWDP members have lots of *altitude*. We're like, totally high. Ya know? DUDE!

[speeder]

Before we get carried away here, I do not like being around people with "no egos". The huge lobotomy scar is very off-putting. I have attended a couple of rgruppe events, they seemed like normal people to me. And yes, mostly friendly and willing to BS about the cars, (which are spectacular), very little of the stuck-up vibe around other race/show car events.

[Bill Douglas]

Us SC guys may not have as much attitude, but we sure do have latitude. We have guys in Northern Europe, to me - with the lowest latitude I guess, in the South Pacific.

[nostatic]

I feel a Jimmy Buffet song coming on...

[curtisaa]

It's interesting that there are 48 "votes" and 14 posts..albeit, some would prefer not to comment, but why is it that some internalize their opinions but won't resolve their conflictions ?? this board, of ALL boards, is not one those "pussy foot" diplomatic, sound off places. I, seriously have NOT met an Rgruppe member who thinks that "he's the man"...I have met some PCA, car-show folks that will, without even asking your name, tell you that the Porsche crest on your wheels should point directly at your valve stem ???? WTF.... is that all about ??

[JSDSKI]

I dunno Curtis. I've always thought those kind of people (and believe me they are not exclusive to Porsches or even cars, for that matter) were kind of nervous about their position in the pecking order - so if they know what's "correct" and they do that "correct" thing - they'll be ok. I suppose they want you to be "correct" and ok, as well. Personally, I like the crests to point to the four corners of the world, representing the four great forces on the planet.

[island911]

curtisaa, you bring up some of the same curiosities that go through my mind as well. Though, the whole intent of the poll was to to gauge what outside people (R-World) think of the RGruppe; not resolve their conflictions.

So give the those who want to remain anonymous a break. Besides, if you were a "pussy foot" diplomat, you too would want to hide your lobotomy scar. (that was funny; speeder) . . .also, no one is complaining about the RGruppe guys who voted, in an attempt to skew the perception.

was that too diplomatic? . . .is my scar showing ?

[ted]

Pot stirrer.

[curtisaa]

I know quite a few Rgruppe boyz in your backyard....RLJ, I suppose is very close..I would guess, U mite be lookin' in your rear view mirror on your next cruise in your SC...