Bruce Jenner Interview

[Rick Lee]

What I found difficult to understand at first was how someone so 'masculine' as Jenner was could desire to be so feminine.

I never found him that masculine to begin with. Even when he was appearing on Wheaties boxes, he sort of gave me the heebeegeebees.

[ledhedsymbols]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

My accumulated wisdom isn't much, although I have cobbled along with the resources at my disposal.

What I do know, what is critical to a free society in my mind, is the right of an individual to pursue happiness as long as the pursuit harms no one. Hackneyed, I know, but there it is. Simple, self regulating.

I have only watched snippets of the interview, but what is clear to me is Jenner walks on trails I never will, has struggles I will never share, has come to the conclusions he has with burdens I will never carry.

I wish him well as he works through becoming what every free person cherishes, happiness.

Seahawk...always a class act.

[rusnak]

ok, now that we've said all that, I think if my brain wanted to eliminate my pecker, I would bet odds that the pecker would win. It would somehow recruit the hands to take a railroad spike and off the ol' brain.

[Nostril Cheese]

Originally Posted by ledhedsymbols

seahawk...always a class act.

+1

[intakexhaust]

Originally Posted by techweenie

I don't know. At the previous turn of the century, an exposed ankle was considered provocation, and there were still people who wouldn't use the term "legs" referring to what tables stand on. Some people even separated books written by men from those written by women. I think overall, we're a far healthier society. De-mystifying sex just doesn't seem a big deal to me.

You missed my point. De-mystifying is fine but the major TV networks / media is constantly bombarding SEX related topics as the top money maker AND primarily in primetime. Not late evening and its all sensationalism. Jenner is a greedy one and it didn't need to air his problem period, let alone primetime. Libby's lawmakers refuse to pull in the reigns and the FCC are hypocrite's. A line has to be drawn otherwise what each adult thinks about morals today, its completely gone for future generations. There is a breakdown and promiscuity of youngsters is far more than ever before. Maybe that's fine for some parents but it brings more problems than ever. Its the proper thing for laws in these regards to keep things in check, but these lawmakers haven't enforced and have failed.

Part 1 ~ We now have grade school aged kids saturated with titillation, the oddity and hence makes it acceptable in their eyes. After Jenner sells out and airs his episode on primetime ABC, how many kids wouldn't inquire or wonder what mommy / daddy parts are about?

Part 2 ~ Youngsters obviously going thru body changes, and chemically the mind, media influencing them by the media makes sex the hang-up and all they get caught up in. Sexual exploration and yearning time.

Part 3 ~ They've warped the kids well down to the middle grade school age. Nobody wants to discuss it and parents are embarrassed when they find out or perhaps are just absurdly naďve that kids are having at it at that age. Where or what do you believe is driving this?

Whether you think we're a healthier society today on the subject or not, good luck to you parents.

You think to build and have great trust in them, but most have you fooled. When I see the news outlets report on kids busted for sexting, graphic images of themselves exchanged, you can't deny where they kids come up with these ideas. 7 and 8yo's, oral at school!!! Rarely does a parent even want to know , believe or accept that it exist. That's how protective they are! Scary reality right there.

[Nostril Cheese]

Well, your answer is obvious.

Buy one of those old missile silos, hide your kids in there until they are 18.

Problem solved.

[Don Ro]

Originally Posted by intakexhaust

You missed my point. De-mystifying is fine but the major TV networks / media is constantly bombarding SEX related topics as the top money maker AND primarily in primetime. Not late evening and its all sensationalism. Jenner is a greedy one and it didn't need to air his problem period, let alone primetime. Libby's lawmakers refuse to pull in the reigns and the FCC are hypocrite's. A line has to be drawn otherwise what each adult thinks about morals today, its completely gone for future generations. There is a breakdown and promiscuity of youngsters is far more than ever before. Maybe that's fine for some parents but it brings more problems than ever. Its the proper thing for laws in these regards to keep things in check, but these lawmakers haven't enforced and have failed.

Part 1 ~ We now have grade school aged kids saturated with titillation, the oddity and hence makes it acceptable in their eyes. After Jenner sells out and airs his episode on primetime ABC, how many kids wouldn't inquire or wonder what mommy / daddy parts are about?

Part 2 ~ Youngsters obviously going thru body changes, and chemically the mind, media influencing them by the media makes sex the hang-up and all they get caught up in. Sexual exploration and yearning time.

Part 3 ~ They've warped the kids well down to the middle grade school age. Nobody wants to discuss it and parents are embarrassed when they find out or perhaps are just absurdly naďve that kids are having at it at that age. Where or what do you believe is driving this?

Whether you think we're a healthier society today on the subject or not, good luck to you parents.

You think to build and have great trust in them, but most have you fooled. When I see the news outlets report on kids busted for sexting, graphic images of themselves exchanged, you can't deny where they kids come up with these ideas. 7 and 8yo's, oral at school!!! Rarely does a parent even want to know , believe or accept that it exist. That's how protective they are! Scary reality right there.

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It's my notion that the decay of America began with my generation - born 1945...I was in my early 20's in the '60's...the hippy generation, etc.
"Do what you want if it feels good."
Smoking dope in front of their children, etc...several of my buddies did this...broken families, all.
.
"Our" children (I'm childless) back in those days are now the parents of this generation.
Now, the grandchildren of my generation is who you're speaking about here.
Pre-teen sex is rampant today...and the parents are unconscious...in their own little narcissistic world.
.
What I observed back in my late 20's and early 30's was my generation wanting to be friends with their offspring because they lacked the wherewith all (wisdom, energy, and courage) to be genuine parents.
What happens to those children when they age is that they face the hardship of having to parent themselves.
But then, that's the pseudo Full Employment Act for the psyche community.
And the beat goes on...unfortunately.
Talk to anyone who harbors any semblance of sensibility in the psych community and they will tell you that this is a multi-generational problem.
And with each generation it's getting more impoverished.
.
That's my take.

[Christien]

Originally Posted by fintstone

This. I think it is sad that so many are obsessed with this fellow's obvious mental illness. I guess it is because only the rich (and Federal inmates) are allowed to indulge their insanity. Cost and lack of financial ability protects most insane folks from themselves.

Are you suggesting transgender is a mental illness?

[M.D. Holloway]

Its more of a condition then an illness. An illness means that there is either an invading body or toxin or a genetic abnormality or an inherited malignant trait. I fail to see how being homosexual, transgender or transsexual is an illness.

[M.D. Holloway]

Psychosis, neurosis, neuro-chemical imbalance such as depression, those are illnesses.

[M.D. Holloway]

I still say that if you remove all the clothes and divide up the chores there is no transsexuals. You can only dress as the opposite sex and wear make-up if its available. No clothes no make up ergo no transsexuals. Of course transgenders don't fall into that arena. Being naked and transgender would seem to want to quicken the case if your transgender I would think.

[widgeon13]

Wonder if "she" is going to get remarried?

[berettafan]

quote de intakexhaust

you missed my point. De-mystifying is fine but the major tv networks / media is constantly bombarding sex related topics as the top money maker and primarily in primetime. Not late evening and its all sensationalism. Jenner is a greedy one and it didn't need to air his problem period, let alone primetime. Libby's lawmakers refuse to pull in the reigns and the fcc are hypocrite's. A line has to be drawn otherwise what each adult thinks about morals today, its completely gone for future generations. There is a breakdown and promiscuity of youngsters is far more than ever before. Maybe that's fine for some parents but it brings more problems than ever. Its the proper thing for laws in these regards to keep things in check, but these lawmakers haven't enforced and have failed.



part 1 ~ we now have grade school aged kids saturated with titillation, the oddity and hence makes it acceptable in their eyes. After jenner sells out and airs his episode on primetime abc, how many kids wouldn't inquire or wonder what mommy / daddy parts are about?



part 2 ~ youngsters obviously going thru body changes, and chemically the mind, media influencing them by the media makes sex the hang-up and all they get caught up in. Sexual exploration and yearning time.



part 3 ~ they've warped the kids well down to the middle grade school age. Nobody wants to discuss it and parents are embarrassed when they find out or perhaps are just absurdly naďve that kids are having at it at that age. Where or what do you believe is driving this?



whether you think we're a healthier society today on the subject or not, good luck to you parents.



you think to build and have great trust in them, but most have you fooled. When i see the news outlets report on kids busted for sexting, graphic images of themselves exchanged, you can't deny where they kids come up with these ideas. 7 and 8yo's, oral at school!!! Rarely does a parent even want to know , believe or accept that it exist. That's how protective they are! Scary reality right there.

.

it's my notion that the decay of america began with my generation - born 1945...i was in my early 20's in the '60's...the hippy generation, etc.

"do what you want if it feels good."

smoking dope in front of their children, etc...several of my buddies did this...broken families, all.

.

"our" children (i'm childless) back in those days are now the parents of this generation.

now, the grandchildren of my generation is who you're speaking about here.

pre-teen sex is rampant today...and the parents are unconscious...in their own little narcissistic world.

.

what i observed back in my late 20's and early 30's was my generation wanting to be friends with their offspring because they lacked the wherewith all (wisdom, energy, and courage) to be genuine parents.

what happens to those children when they age is that they face the hardship of having to parent themselves.

but then, that's the pseudo full employment act for the psyche community.

and the beat goes on...unfortunately.

talk to anyone who harbors any semblance of sensibility in the psych community and they will tell you that this is a multi-generational problem.

and with each generation it's getting more impoverished.

.

that's my take.

x2.

[aigel]

You guys are a pile of old curmudgeons. How do you know that youth sexual activity is on the rise? Or even high. Have you looked this up at all or do you believe sensationalist stories of those sex laden TV channels you complain about? Do any of you have teenage kids?

2% of under 12 year olds have sex in the US. And only about half by the time high school is over. That's not the picture you are painting here. When did you have sex for the first time. I sure hope it was before you were 25!

American Teens' Sexual and Reproductive Health


Looks like sexual activity is flat. This is Canada, but should be similar:
Statistics on Sexual Intercourse Experience Among Canadian Teenagers | SexualityandU

Ok, so now that that is said. I despise TV. There is no TV at my house. And I don't have to talk about weirdo celebs with my children. They don't know who Bruce Jenner is. I do not have a problem talking about transgender people and the subject definitely does come up living in the SF bay area. I'd rather not do it over this type of example rather than a real person we may see. Banning TV from my home has been a blessing for everyone involved. None of my children are obsessed with pop culture. YMMV.

G

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Christien

Are you suggesting transgender is a mental illness?

Pretty much. A man who thinks they are a woman trapped in a man's body is little different than a man who thinks they are a dog and trapped in a man's body and barks at the moon and licks their balls. One is a protected species to be protected, admired and sympathized with and the other is considered bat**** crazy.

[DanielDudley]

I am more concerned about people who think they have all the answers, and want to force them on their nation and the world than I am about those few people who want to physically resemble the gender that they wish they were born as.

One of these paths harms no one, while the other can cause a great deal of strife and suffering in the world. But in general, these types of conversations are only a sideshow to the great moral questions of our age, which many remain blissfully unaware of.

Lubey's daughter has a better grip on this than most of the adults here. Once you start voicing your beliefs as absolutes of right and wrong, this becomes PARF fodder.

[Paul_Heery]

The following seems appropriate for this discussion:

"When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down ‘happy’. They told me I didn’t understand the assignment, and I told them they didn’t understand life."

John Lennon

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

I am more concerned about people who think they have all the answers, and want to force them on their nation and the world than I am about those few people who want to physically resemble the gender that they wish they were born as.

One of these paths harms no one, while the other can cause a great deal of strife and suffering in the world. But in general, these types of conversations are only a sideshow to the great moral questions of our age, which many remain blissfully unaware of.

Lubey's daughter has a better grip on this than most of the adults here. Once you start voicing your beliefs as absolutes of right and wrong, this becomes PARF fodder.

Personally, I am more concerned with those here who would prefer to control thought and speech to only what they believe. That is really scary. It is just as bad if it is liberal thought like yours or more conservative thought like mine.

No one here has tried to force Mr./Ms. Jenner to do anything...but it doesn't mean they have to agree with what he/she does. He/she can do whatever he/she likes with his/her body as long as he/she doesn't ask others to pay for it or require their approval.

What makes you think that Lubey's 12 year old has an especially good grip on transsexuals...or for that matter, how do you know her position on the matter at all?

[rusnak]

I don't see anyone here planning to dress like a woman and chopping their pecker off. Why? Because its just weird that's why.

[ForBell]

Originally Posted by aigel

You guys are a pile of old curmudgeons. How do you know that youth sexual activity is on the rise? Or even high. Have you looked this up at all or do you believe sensationalist stories of those sex laden TV channels you complain about? Do any of you have teenage kids?

2% of under 12 year olds have sex in the US. And only about half by the time high school is over. That's not the picture you are painting here. When did you have sex for the first time. I sure hope it was before you were 25!

Looks like sexual activity is flat. This is Canada, but should be similar:

G

"Looks like sexual activity is flat. This is Canada, but should be similar:"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You just might want to look at the facts for the USA.
.
CDC - Sexual Behaviors - Adolescent and School Health

Many young people engage in sexual risk behaviors that can result in unintended health outcomes. For example, among U.S. high school students surveyed in 2013:

- 47% had had sexual intercourse.
- 34% had had sexual intercourse during the previous 3 months, and, of these 41% did not use a condom the last time they had sex.
- 15% had had sex with four or more people during their life.
- Only 22% of sexually experienced students have ever been tested for HIV.

Sexual risk behaviors place adolescents at risk for HIV infection, other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), and unintended pregnancy:

- Nearly 10,000 young people (aged 13-24) were diagnosed with HIV infection in the United States in 2013.
- Young gay and bisexual men (aged 13-24) accounted for an estimated 19% (8,800) of all new HIV infections in the United States, and 72% of new HIV infections among youth in 2010.
- Nearly half of the 20 million new STDs each year were among young people, between the ages of 15 to 24.
- Approximately 273,000 babies were born to teen girls aged 15–19 years in 2013.