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8 signs you're living beyond your means
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Good stuff. I like the Dave Ramsey philosophy, "live like no one else so you can live like no one else".
My brother-in-law and his wife make nearly 50% more than my wife and I do, and they are broke. Two junk cars, one still with a loan. Small house not big enough for their family but in a fancy neighborhood, I believe he has a second mortgage and is heavily leveraged on it. Takes money out of his 401k. Carries a balance on multiple credit cards. EVERYTHING is financed - tv, furniture, etc. They barely get by making what is very good money for the midwest. It's really sad to watch, my wife has tried to give him advice but I don't think they are willing to make sacrifices. The funny thing is, he thinks we are "rich" because we can do things that we want to do. Guess he doesn't notice our relatively common clothes, paid for cars, house that we totally remodeled, or meals at home every night.
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My take: If you're living beyond your means....get MEANER
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My BIL is big into living beyond his means. He's a cop that works his 40 hours and picks up every bit of overtime, and every paying detail he can get. My inlaws were just at his house on vacation (South Florida) and could not believe the shape that the house was in. It is a hoarders paradise but not with junk, but with new items bought and paid for with good intentions, but never used, or used and forgotten. There was no place to sit down inside the house, and only a narrow pathway through all the rooms.
I am truly amazed that he sold one of his motorcycle to me, and another one to my FIL (he still has 4 more in the packed garage) I really think it's the first time in his life that he ever sold anything. He admittedly has about 500 guns with a matching hoard of ammunition that he brings up to my house out in the country to shoot. Last time he was up here he brought his brand new Barrett BMG 50 cal sniper rifle, with a couple hundred rounds, and about 20 other spoons of varying price and deadliness including a fully auto mac 10 that reeled off 20 rounds in about 2 seconds. He is about $150,000 in debt and getting further every day, but won't sell anything. with all the overtime and details, he was making about $105,000 a year, but the overtime dried up and the younger guys are getting all the details, so he hs taken a $50,000 a year hit to his pay and is drowning slowly in debt. We have mentioned DaveRamsey.com several times to him, but he is too proud to admit there is a problem. |
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hmm, I thought there was going to be something with a little more depth and insight. Great article for a 17 year old. If anything in it was a revelation to anyone reading it, then that person is in deep ***** trouble.
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I know a friend that lived like that. He was leveraged to the max. He had a few fancy Rolexs, drove a Turbo 911, lived in a huge house in a exclusive area, he owned a twin engine aircraft and took frequent vacations to Europe. Then his business slowed down a little and everything collapsed. He was bankrupt and had to move in with his mom and sell everything he had.
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I think what you meant to say is, "then that person is the average American."
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The no emergency fund thing is scary. I like to have at least 18 months sitting in the bank and some of my friends think I'm crazy to have that much and not do anything with it. Is it likely my wife and I will both lose our jobs at the same time? Very Doubtful, but "very doubtful" won't pay the bill if it does happen!
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My layoff last year was a non-issue because of a strong emergency fund. Nobody cares about fire extinguishers until there's a fire.....
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A real estate friend of mine sold a house that was a foreclosure. The owners had a water heater go out and that started the cascade that brought them down. No more credit and they could not afford a new water heater. They both had money for cigarettes and wine but not for a water heater. I was amazing to me.
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Why oh why use credit card at all?
Delayed paying and incentives to credit shopping lead invariably to: 1. spending more than planned 2. missing the payment sooner or later which means extra income for the CC issuer. I only use CC when paying for job-related stuff (trips etc) which I do not want to shell out myself until I get it back.
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The aforementioned BIL frequently calls me with car issues. Last week it was his leaking A/C, which he can't afford to fix. He has a 2000-ish Dodge Dakota with around 200k that leaves a visible trail of blue smoke in its wake, I keep telling him that it's not long for this world.
I really wish he was the sort of guy that you could have an honest conversation with, but he's more about trying to project a certain image. I'd love to help, and he has enough income that with a few years of sacrifice he could easily right the ship.
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How come everyone has a BIL that spends like a drunken sailor?
Mine says when I die my kids will be rich and when he dies he will have had a great life.
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You must run in a very small circle.
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LOL, I had a similar reaction to a different article a friend recently sent me. Note this person is in his mid 30s. Quote:
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To play devil's advocate, he might have a point.
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He has a point up until the time something unforeseen (job loss, medical disease, physical injury, natural disaster, stock market crash, etc) happens and he doesn't have the financial reserves to hold the fort. Then he'll lose the house, sell all the toys (or maybe he doesn't even own them now), file for bankruptcy, and go through all that.
Some of us would rather be as prepared as reasonably possible. Some of us don't mind living life on the financial edge. Agree with RickLee regarding credit cards. I use them for nearly everything. But I always pay them off in full every month. As long as I have some semblance of financial discipline, why is that a bad thing?
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