New Z-06 takes on GT3 at Trackday...

[gorthar]

...much douchebaggery ensues. Driver of Vette claims he has "two and a half days of track experience," and is out to prove his car is faster than a GT3 no matter his lack of experience.

Worst Trackday Video Ever? Z06 Driver Risks Life To Beat A Porsche


Love it when he tells his instructor, "hold my glasses" while on the track. Just crazy all around.

[Z-man]

Beware the red mist.

Instructor should have used his left hand when giving hand motions to guide his student -- left hand, and up as close to the steering wheel as his hands can be in a safe manner. Using the right hand down low puts his gestures close to the limit of the driver's peripheral vision.

Plus - the instructor should have had the driver stop in the pits at some point for a little discussion on the purpose of a track day.

Did I hear techno music in the background?

And finally - I didn't realize a Vette could understeer that badly!

-Z

[porsche4life]

Lots of ego in that video. Both cars were driving pretty sloppy to be honest. Did the porsche finally realize it and let them by? Damon wonder they didn't end up making contact a few times

[gorthar]

Originally Posted by Z-man

Beware the red mist.

Instructor should have used his left hand when giving hand motions to guide his student -- left hand, and up as close to the steering wheel as his hands can be in a safe manner. Using the right hand down low puts his gestures close to the limit of the driver's peripheral vision.

Plus - the instructor should have had the driver stop in the pits at some point for a little discussion on the purpose of a track day.

Did I hear techno music in the background?

And finally - I didn't realize a Vette could understeer that badly!

-Z

Yeah, pretty sure he has the radio on to boot. They are both pretty bad. I had to laugh though, when the guy in the Vette started honking his horn and cussing out the window at other cars. That's a novel approach. I think he just graduated from the Grand Theft Auto racing school.

If it weren't for the electronic nannies in his car, he couldn't have completed a lap.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by gorthar

I had to laugh though, when the guy in the Vette started honking his horn and cussing out the window at other cars. That's a novel approach. I think he just graduated from the Grand Theft Auto racing school.

I think he was trying to compensate for something. Maybe the fact that he was driving an automatic, or that he may feel his physique is below average. (Pure speculation, BTW).

-Z

Disclaimer: I am not inferring that Vette drivers have to compensate for something... This may be an isolated incidence: the star of the video's car of choice of vehicle could be mere coincidence.

[Craig T]

Red run group at a Speedventures event no doubt. SV at ACS...Been there done that

I don't know why the instructor was even in the car. The hand signals were either unseen or completely ignored…Likely both.

They both got a little sloppy in the red mist, particularly the GT3 in the "Playground". I don't think I saw the same line twice from either car, but the exits to the oval from the Playground were all over the place. Obviously the last cone was taken out early in the session. Avoiding contact under the circumstances was actually commendable.

….But you gotta love a guy who puts his new GT3 to the task while still in paper plates!

[Noah930]

Remind me not to sign up for a trackday with that guy on the entry list.

[911SauCy]

I wouldn't consider the instructor an instructor by any stretch...

9:20 is where the GT3 owner realized, I like my car more than I care about fast laps against a Z06...

This typical american car owner douchbaggery is why I removed myself from the crowd entirely. I'm sure he went home and fired up the internet to tell all his Corvette pals how he beat every M3 known to man, an SLS, GT-R, GT3 etc etc...

He likely failed to mention (6:35) his high bank corner speed being almost identical to a Miata...

[GG Allin]

Flat out.

[911SauCy]

Originally Posted by GG Allin

Flat out stupidity.

There, FIFY

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by 911SauCy

I wouldn't consider the instructor an instructor by any stretch...

9:20 is where the GT3 owner realized, I like my car more than I care about fast laps against a Z06...

This typical american car owner douchbaggery is why I removed myself from the crowd entirely. I'm sure he went home and fired up the internet to tell all his Corvette pals how he beat every M3 known to man, an SLS, GT-R, GT3 etc etc...

He likely failed to mention (6:35) his high bank corner speed being almost identical to a Miata...

Yes, he had zero confidence in the banking. His fastest speeds of high-120's in the banking were when he was behind the GT3 and in red mist. Alone he slowed considerably. I go through the that section between 132 and 135mph in my 3500lbs 997TT on street tires! That Z06 could hold 140 easily on R-coumpound tires.

I don't see the aggressive duel as negatively as some do. The red run group is the place for that. If a participant is not comfortable with wheel-to-wheel action, they either do what the GT3 did in the end and back out, of they go to a point-by run group. It takes two to tango.

I had a similar duel with an M5 at the same track at the last Speedventures event just last month. It wasn't quite as reckless, but just as competitive and we hi-fived each other when it was over.

[GH85Carrera]

I think this is about that Vette driver:

[VINMAN]

Originally Posted by 911SauCy

This typical american car owner douchbaggery ...

Never knew "douchebaggery" was limited to American car owners.. Ya learn something new everyday..


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[Noah930]

Originally Posted by Craig T

It wasn't quite as reckless, but just as competitive and we hi-fived each other when it was over.

I think that's the point--the 'Vette driver sure seemed a bit reckless. I wouldn't want to be running in close quarters with him.

And I doubt he was high-fiving the GT3 pilot at the end of the session.

[gorthar]

Originally Posted by Noah930

I think that's the point--the 'Vette driver sure seemed a bit reckless. I wouldn't want to be running in close quarters with him.

And I doubt he was high-fiving the GT3 pilot at the end of the session.

No worries... I think maybe his co-pilot was simply there to wave other cars out of the way with his Jedi hand gestures.

"That's not the line you're looking for"

[Craig T]

They both gave each other plenty of racing room when side-by-side. Neither one dive-bombed a corner or closed the door on the other. The Vet driver never had to bail off track to avoid rear ending the GT3, nor did he push the GT3 offtrack to avoid contact. Those would be reckless moves.

I think this Vet driver is getting a bad rap. Yes, he's in the red mist, but so it the GT3. Yes, they're all over the place, but when racing for a position the other does NOT want to give up, you can't stay on a time trial line lap after lap.

If you guys spent a couple years wheel-to-wheel club racing, this contest would not seem nearly as extreme. It's a little over the top for a DE day for sure, but hardly criminal.

[Z-man]

Originally Posted by Craig T

They both gave each other plenty of racing room when side-by-side. Neither one dive-bombed a corner or closed the door on the other. The Vet driver never had to bail off track to avoid rear ending the GT3, nor did he push the GT3 offtrack to avoid contact. Those would be reckless moves.

I think this Vet driver is getting a bad rap. Yes, he's in the red mist, but so it the GT3. Yes, they're all over the place, but when racing for a position the other does NOT want to give up, you can't stay on a time trial line lap after lap.

If you guys spent a couple years wheel-to-wheel club racing, this contest would not seem nearly as extreme. It's a little over the top for a DE day for sure, but hardly criminal.

You use the term racing a couple times in the post above. My understanding is that the event was a TRACK / Driver's Ed event, and not a RACE. The lack of safety gear in the Vette adds to this notion.

Track events are not the right venue for RACING. There is a lack of safety equipment, lack of training, as well as a totally different expectation. The only similarity between track days and club racing is they occur on the same closed circuit road. It is idiots like the Vette and GT3 drivers that THINK track days = racing, just like they think owning a racecar means they are professional racecar drivers. It is these same idiots that give track days a bad rap.

"Winning" at a track day is as easy as beating a 95 year old man in a foot race. Yeah - you crossed the finish line first. So what. Really want to prove your mettle? Get your racing license, suit up, grow a set, and be prepared to get your a$$ handed to you.

-Z-man.

[Cajundaddy]

Couple of noobs out playing cowboy with their new rides while wearing rugby helmets. Ugliest track vid of 2015. Eeesh!

Next up: Noob puts car into the wall and now it is on fire. Lawyers get involved and sue everyone involved. Tracks quietly close their doors to track day DE uses to contain their financial risk. We saw the same thing happen to motocross tracks all over the country 20 years ago.

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by Z-man

You use the term racing a couple times in the post above. My understanding is that the event was a TRACK / Driver's Ed event, and not a RACE. The lack of safety gear in the Vette adds to this notion.

Track events are not the right venue for RACING. There is a lack of safety equipment, lack of training, as well as a totally different expectation. The only similarity between track days and club racing is they occur on the same closed circuit road. It is idiots like the Vette and GT3 drivers that THINK track days = racing, just like they think owning a racecar means they are professional racecar drivers. It is these same idiots that give track days a bad rap.

"Winning" at a track day is as easy as beating a 95 year old man in a foot race. Yeah - you crossed the finish line first. So what. Really want to prove your mettle? Get your racing license, suit up, grow a set, and be prepared to get your a$$ handed to you.

-Z-man.

Z-Man, I agree with all three of the material points above, particularly the last one. If it's racing they want, they should equip the car and make the investment into a race license and participate in a sanctioned organization.

The only thing i would say is…When you go to a track event, if this type of behavior worries you, stay out of the open-passing run groups. You just didn't see the other "races" in this session, but I guarantee there were several. If these guys are comfortable risking their cars and their lives due to a lack of safety equipment and oversight that's their choice. They are adults…maybe stupid ones, but adults with free will nonetheless.

I sold my race car and quit the POC two years ago. I still like to go out on the track in a semi-competitive, but far less formal way from time to time. I can honestly say, in two years of doing these private track events in the open passing classes, I have not seen a single car-to-car contact. When I see these guys around me, I just do a touch-and-go at the black flag station and get back on behind them.

[mpeastend]

No one posted about the Vette drivers strange chronic lip-licking/tongue-flicking & the manic grins? That was pretty disturbing.