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Plane owners an annual time
My plane is in for its annual inspection. For those who don't own a plane, that is where you drop off your plane with a shop or mechanic that has been blessed by the FAA to look it over. This year I am paying $1,800 for this event. Then after the inspection they tell me if it needs anything to get the coveted sign off.
Now you don't have to let them perform the work there, but what are you really going to do? I go through this every year, last year cost me $7,000, but some of that was having some extra stuff done. This year I'm not adding anything, except corrosion X treatment. I'm hoping to get by for less than $2,500. Porsche ownership seams cheap after owning my plane for the last three years. It sucks that I'm not legaly allowed to do much work on my plane.
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07-08-2015, 03:50 PM
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You could always get an A&P...
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07-08-2015, 03:52 PM
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I don't have a problem with the mechanics, I pay less to get the plane worked on than the Car. It's the fact that I don't have a choice that I don't like
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07-08-2015, 03:58 PM
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Cheaper than making a smoking hole in the ground because you didn't get it inspected....
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07-08-2015, 04:15 PM
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Usually the first and maybe second annual are the most expensive playing catch-up. This year should hopefully be less.
See if you can find an A&P that will let you assist on your annual. A good way to save money if you have the time.
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07-08-2015, 04:25 PM
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F-F-F, rent it. I was part owner on an airplane back in the day. even being part owner was expensive. then I flew commercially, and the fun-factor was lost for me. now im a civil servant, and I rent a plane when I feel like monkeying around with it.
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07-08-2015, 04:59 PM
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I am fortunate to have a mechanic who encourages me to participate. He recently closed his shop at my home airport, so he came to my hangar for the last annual. When he showed up, I already had the airplane up on jacks to swing/inspect the landing gear, the seats and floorboards were already out to inspect the control cables, and all inspection plates were removed. I replace the filters that are required, and after he gives me the thumbs up, I put everything back together again. It's fun, I learn about the airplane, and I'm not paying an hourly rate for a pro to undo dozens of screws to open up access panels. |
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07-08-2015, 05:09 PM
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It could be worse... I just invoiced a company a little over $14,000 for their annual.
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07-08-2015, 06:30 PM
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If your annual has not expired when they finish the annual inspection, they can simply sign it off "with discrepancies". You're still legal to fly on the existing annual until it expires at the end of the month. Get your discrepancy list, come home, and start getting quotes from hungry A&Ps. Once an A&P clears through the discrepancy list, you're good to go for another year. If the annual HAS expired and you want to shop it around, you would still get the annual signed off with discrepancies. You shop out the work and once you settle on a place, you work with their A&P to get a ferry permit so you can take it to them. Some light reading: I really like this article (pdf) https://www.cirruspilots.org/copa/tech/m/magazine_articles/563632/download.aspx The Savvy Aviator #15: The Annual Inspection Trap - AVweb Features Article The Savvy Aviator #16: Who Is Responsible For What? - AVweb Features Article https://www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/test_guides/media/faa-g-8082-19.pdf A good video with the above information presented by the EAA
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07-08-2015, 06:42 PM
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Plane owners an annual time
Just wait until the engine times out. It can be in perfect running condition with great oil pressure and compression but the magic TBO is past and it is replacement time. We spent more on our last engine swap than I spent to buy my first house with a 30 year mortgage.
Airplanes are silly expensive and we have a business that make a living charging for our services in a 206.
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07-08-2015, 06:52 PM
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Is it really worth it? I not talking about piloting, but actually owning a plane?
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07-08-2015, 07:06 PM
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I'm trying out a new shop this year. And I just get grumpy when I have to spend money and not even know for sure what kind of cost I'm looking at.
My annual date is July so I have till the end of the month, and really I think the guys doing the annual will be fair. My engine has around 350 hrs SMOH with a TBO of 1500. But even then I'm pretty sure that TBO is not mandatory for my use. They said they should have the inspection done by Friday. And the compression checks were good so I don't have to worry about that.
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07-08-2015, 07:17 PM
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30 years ago, I wanted to take flying lessons and maybe buy my own plane.
BUT, I know me - I'm a cheap bastard. I'm the guy that patches a motorcycle tire and runs it till the cord shows....I knew if I had a plane, I'd end up like my buddy's father..... When his plane needed an new magneto, he didn't want to pay the price, so put in one from a tractor......Killed himself and 2 others when it quit sparking right after take-off...... Man up and pay up.......
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07-08-2015, 07:55 PM
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It makes me really consider going the home built and experimental route. These old planes are really not that complicated. Some of the parts really did originate from a tractor. And was it really determined that the magneto was the problem, all the planes I've seen require two and the plane should have been able to run on one.
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07-09-2015, 03:17 AM
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Our C-206 is a 1965 model that the company bought in 1969. The pilot that picked it up new from Cessna worked here. We used one mechanic since 1975 that loved the old airplane. We just kept him on retainer and paid him every quarter. He decided to retire when he turned 70 and his arthritis got bad. We had to find a new mechanic. The new mechanic is like finding a great second wife after your first wife died. He was stunned at the log books we have. He said he and never seen log books that clear and complete before. We call it the work truck. It will never win a beauty contest but it is in top mechanical shape.
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07-09-2015, 05:02 AM
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Do all these same rules apply for light sport aircraft too?
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07-09-2015, 05:40 AM
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I don't think so.
We don't EVER fly just for fun. If the engine is started we are charging a customer.
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07-09-2015, 06:12 AM
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Backpeddling a bit on the LSA question because I found an online source that explains it better than I was trying to do:
http://www.askbob.aero/node/286 Or a PDF from the FAA: http://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/media/advisory_circular/ac%2065-32a.pdf
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Seems like the answer was yes, it definitively maybe could perhaps depending on if no, not really but sure, probably. 
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