Hacking a car

[widebody911]

Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway

[KNS]

I saw that this morning, it'll only get worse. I think the automakers are way behind on this.

[GH85Carrera]

My 85 911 and 86 El Camino are 100% hack proof. Not even Skynet can hack my cars!

[1990C4S]

I call BS on this 'test'. The IP address (reportedly) changes every time you start the car.

How did they get the IP address? Sure, they hacked in after they got the IP...which is a major flaw. They did hint that there was a back door Chrysler likely left open by accident. Not good.

Legitimate concern? Yes. High risk? Don't think so.

[911SauCy]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

I call BS on this 'test'. The IP address (reportedly) changes every time you start the car.

How did they get the IP address? Sure, they hacked in after they got the IP...which is a major flaw. They did hint that there was a back door Chrysler likely left open by accident. Not good.

Legitimate concern? Yes. High risk? Don't think so.

I'd suggest not calling BS. I do understand that this does likely wrack your thinking and make you question everything you ever thought was safe.

IP Addresses don't matter, these guys are Black Hat masters and you can guarantee there are other people as good or better than they with less humble motives...

The risk is getting higher and higher as consecutive model lines emerge. New, higher technologically capable devices, being built on the same basic security (or lack of) platform. Parallel it to someone building a top of the line home with every amazing feature you can think, but the front door is locked by a wood board nailed across the door....

These guys proved, if you have a late model car and a hacker wants to control your car and kill you and your family, it can be done.

Now it's a race to figure out how politicians can work in conjunction withthe car companies to fill their pockets

[gordner]

Hack Takes Over Your Car's Steering While You're Driving | Popular Science

Pop sci did it with both a Ford and Toyota. A longer article I read on the subject noted that the sync system on the Ford's is able to talk to the engine management computer and the traction control modules etc, allowing a direct path to shut down cylinders, brake individual wheels etc.
And as a side note, allows law enforcement to shut down your vehicle as required with the assistance of Ford.

[biosurfer1]

You don't have to have a specific IP address, any one will do. They even said they simply referenced which nodes had both Sprint and UConnect, then they knew they had a viable candidate. They probably needed more specific info to shut down the exact car they wanted to for the example, but even knowing that an IP address has Sprint and UConnect means they can shut it down, what do the hackers care where that car is or who it belongs to, the fact they can do it is what is worrisome.

[ckelly78z]

If OnStar can start your car remotely for you, or unlock your doors if you lost your keys, I don't think a remote shutdown would be that difficult for tech saavy hackers.

I don't know about "Skynet" hacking your car, but a well placed electromagnetic pulse could render everything computerized completely useless.

[RANDY P]

How long before you see paid advertising on your screens?

New car? No thanks.

rjp

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

I call BS on this 'test'.

Originally Posted by 911SauCy

I'd suggest not calling BS. I do understand that this does likely wrack your thinking and make you question everything you ever thought was safe.

'This test' was the relevant part. I would like to see them pick a random late model Chrysler and hack in remotely.

As for my personal concerns, I am and will be 100% safe. I do not, nor will I ever, own a car that is vulnerable.

[Scuba Steve]

What really surprised me is that someone could control steering or disable brakes. Ate they not physically connected to anything any more?

[911 Rod]

[QUOTE=1990C4S;8721543

As for my personal concerns, I am and will be 100% safe. I do not, nor will I ever, own a car that is vulnerable.[/QUOTE]

Remember the days when people said they would never have a car with power window or locks. Even air-con, because it was asking for trouble.
Just saying ....

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by Scuba Steve

What really surprised me is that someone could control steering or disable brakes. Ate they not physically connected to anything any more?

Power steering is servo controlled on most cars now...

[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

Remember the days when people said they would never have a car with power window or locks. Even air-con, because it was asking for trouble.
Just saying ....

I will not a newer car because a) I don't waste money on cars and b) I like to be able to repair my own car. The choice I've made is not a result of some irrational fear....

[911SauCy]

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

' I do not, nor will I ever, own a car that is vulnerable.

My sentiments exactly.

[pcardude]

Originally Posted by 911 Rod

Remember the days when people said they would never have a car with power window or locks. Even air-con, because it was asking for trouble.
Just saying ....

Lol

My great great grandfather took the electronic ignition out and put points back in a car once.

Time marches on

[Deschodt]

If it's connected to the internet, it's hackable. Period. Fridge, cars, your doctor's office, everything.

I don't see a need for an internet connected car at this point, my kids have wifi-only ipads and can wait to be home to download stuff... For me, my phone's good enough.. Now when those guys manage to hack my phone and get IT to talk to my car and hack it, that'll be scary !! It's coming ! But not to my 911 or 912 ;-)

[RANDY P]

It's much cheaper to sell a car on features VS. quality. How much do they get for Nav, WIFI (who needs WIFI in a car?) and all that other crap? Huge margin, I'm sure.

People are into that **** these days, not driving- when you try to pass off a Ford Fusion as a driver's car, you know people have lost it.


rjp

[RANDY P]

PS - the proponents claim electronics are more reliable, lighter, more efficient, etc. etc. but the only drawback is the failure mode.

When your power steering starts to go on hydraulic racks, you get leaks, noise and gradually worse operation. How do you inspect the electronics? You can't.

What they want to do is grant external control of the vehicle to the ECU or worse, law enforcement- it's coming up next. Once it becomes commonplace to self-drive, next will be government's right to shut your car down. Don't pay your tabs? Shutdown. Breaking the speed limit- shutdown.

Not to mention, the driving experience is totally artificial- right down to simulated engine sounds through your audio.

No thanks. Driving enthusiasts will become like what horseback riders are today..

rjp

[sc_rufctr]

Proof once again of how ridiculous the auto industry has become.

Not that long ago cars were sold on build quality and safety. It seems added features and electronic devices are more important now.
I really don't want any part of it but at some point I'll be driving a daily that has these extras whether I like it or not.

Recently I was filling up my car at the service station. There was an LCD TV mounted over the browser that was constantly spewing out advertising. Extremely loud and annoying.
I decided right there and then to never buy petrol from that service station again. I wrote to the company and told them exactly that and not surprisingly they haven't got back to me yet.

Customer satisfaction and service have gone out the window. It's way cheaper and easier just to get new customers than keep existing ones happy.