I am of the opinion that the majority doesn;t know what is good for them...

[Taz's Master]

Of course, part of the problem is that I really don't care that much what you think is in my best interests. Your goals are not mine, and to evaluate my decisions from your perspective could lead you to draw the wrong conclusions.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Why the **** is this posted in PPOT and not in PARF? Just curious.

OP is an attention whore.

[pavulon]

Maybe. However (unlike PARF), this might not deteriorate into a feces flinging contest but rather remain a discussion as intended by the host of the website. For that, I appreciate the OPs efforts.

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

OP is an attention whore.

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

OP is an attention whore.

thanks Dan...lets have a beer sometime. I think you would change your mind.

[M.D. Holloway]

Originally Posted by Jim Richards

Why the **** is this posted in PPOT and not in PARF? Just curious.

really wanted it to be more about the human condition and not politics

[fintstone]

The problem with people knowing innately how to do what is best for themself is that in our system, that includes voting for whomever promises them more of other people's money. They demand more and more protection, government provided services, and actual transfer of wealth...when they can make someone else pay for it (or the government can borrow money to do it).

[black73]

Originally Posted by m.d. Holloway

really wanted it to be more about the human condition and not politics

ok.....

Originally Posted by m.d. Holloway

i guess it is almost impossible to talk about the human condition with out politics somehow creeping in.

lol!!!

[kach22i]

I found the Rabbit and Wolf scenario to be interesting.

Going back to the human condition, what I've always marveled at is the habitual habit of humans totally using up resources.

We will hunt an area until is is depleted of game.

We will clear cut trees.

We will catch fish until there are no more, or until there are limits and restrictions placed on us.

We will farm a piece of land until it will yield no more, even when resting the land or planting less profitable crops are an option.

We will irrigate dry lands until the salts make it's unfit for growing (Olmec, Mayan, Incan, Aztec, and current US west).

Not all humans are the short sighted "deplete" type, some are the "nurture" and save type, with an eye with what's around the next corner.

In short, there are givers, and there are takers......................and always have been.

Taking for one's self or for your tribe bears little difference.

The big difference is whether or not you care about the future, or only the present.

Humans have already used up 2015's supply of Earth's resources – analysis
Humans have already used up 2015's supply of Earth's resources

Humans have exhausted a year’s supply of natural resources in less than eight months, according to an analysis of the demands the world’s population are placing on the planet.

The Earth’s “overshoot day” for 2015, the point at which humanity goes into ecological debt, will occur on Thursday six days earlier than last year, based on an estimate by the Global Footprint Network (GFN).

The date is based on a comparison of humanity’s demands – in terms of carbon emissions, cropland, fish stocks, and the use of forests for timber – with the planet’s ability to regenerate such resources and naturally absorb the carbon emitted. That implies the excess demands being placed on natural systems are doing more permanent harm that cannot be easily undone.

The GFN estimates that human consumption first began to exceed the Earth’s capacity in the early 1970s and the overshoot day has been falling steadily earlier ever since, due to the growth in the global population alongside the expansion of consumption around the world.

I guess that if you believe in a second coming and end of the world via biblical prophecy, then go ahead and use up the Earth while you can. Everyone else better be thinking about tomorrow.

[recycled sixtie]

Originally Posted by Taz's Master

Of course, part of the problem is that I really don't care that much what you think is in my best interests. Your goals are not mine, and to evaluate my decisions from your perspective could lead you to draw the wrong conclusions.

+1 This pretty much sums it up. However there should be consideration of others and the environment. It's a fine balance...

You have overall a good political system. Your country is divided into States. Each State reflects the needs of its population and also constraints.

[sand_man]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I found the Rabbit and Wolf scenario to be interesting.

Going back to the human condition, what I've always marveled at is the habitual habit of humans totally using up resources.

We will hunt an area until is is depleted of game.

We will clear cut trees.

We will catch fish until there are no more, or until there are limits and restrictions placed on us.

We will farm a piece of land until it will yield no more, even when resting the land or planting less profitable crops are an option.

We will irrigate dry lands until the salts make it's unfit for growing (Olmec, Mayan, Incan, Aztec, and current US west).

Not all humans are the short sighted "deplete" type, some are the "nurture" and save type, with an eye with what's around the next corner.

In short, there are givers, and there are takers......................and always have been.

Taking for one's self or for your tribe bears little difference.

The big difference is whether or not you care about the future, or only the present.

Humans have already used up 2015's supply of Earth's resources – analysis
Humans have already used up 2015's supply of Earth's resources


I guess that if you believe in a second coming and end of the world via biblical prophecy, then go ahead and use up the Earth while you can. Everyone else better be thinking about tomorrow.

I can't help but think of this:

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

OP is an attention whore.

80-90% of us posting here are men... ergo we are all whores

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by varmint

"Well, I guess in an ideal world where folks are in it to make the whole society well, and folks are willing to put their person quests and desires aside and work for the common goal like workers bees in a hive then yes, communism is solid. But that's not how people are at all."

wrong. communism, socialism, fascism are about forcing individuals to put aside their personal quests and serve the state.

+1

If you want all people working for the common good without selfishness then there is a really good book that promotes that way of living:

"love your neighbor as yourself"

"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love."

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude...................

Took the liberty of looking that passage up.

Corinthians, hey?

Weird, earlier this week I just started that chapter, didn't get far until I fell asleep though.

Must get back to it, looks like good stuff.