Big difference between the cars is rust. Grady's car has none, yours does. Both cars will need a total resto but the dry car is a lot easier and simply more valuable because of the original condition of the sheet metal. I know that anything can be fixed, (and will be, if the car is valuable enough), but collectors place a huge premium on dry, straight cars. You have to remember that in Europe, virtually all early 911s disintegrated long ago. Any rust present is a huge turn-off. If you can see a little, there is usually a lot.

You also do not seem to understand the SWB market. Grady's car, especially with its history, is probably quite a bit more valuable than an ordinary 1970 911S as the collector market evolves on these cars. I think that the price on his car will definitely hold, I expected it to go higher. :cool:

Denis, you clearly haven't looked at Grady's car.

Grady's car has a TON of surface rust, significantly more than 70S I'm selling which has tiny bits of rust under a 20 year old repaint. I've cut up more longhoods than you've even seen, I know rust. The 70S needs an upper body shell strip and paint. No welding whatsoever.

I know the longhood market better than you.

I'd like to say the driving experience is comparable, in that they are equally appealing, but...

I'm blown away by the new car. No way I'd hop in an older one if they were sitting side by side. Granted, not the same experience, but I'd also take a turbo S over a Carrera GT, any day of the week.

JR

The point is that is what we are comparing them to, big money cars, and people who are spending money are also.
And Porsche buyers are not looks buyers as much as other Marque buyers are.
The driving experience is very important.

That sounds a bit arrogant,
I tend to make the most money from people who are so sure of themselves.

Just playing with Denis. But I am building a 911 cap screw library that details size and application and the proper manufacturer on the head by year. I'm not one to use a Kamax when a Dera is correct. SmileWavy

Nice:)

It has been very helpful to people restoring early cars that have been mucked around with. My last customer needed caps screws for his door hinges and I was able to find 12 excellent Karro's for him. Man was he happy.

Is it arrogant if it's true? ;)


Both guys have lots of useful-useless knowledge stuffed in them, but

About this, Shaun does have a little more experience.

If I ever worry about the make of the fastener I use on my door hinge, please take me outside and cap me ...

When it comes to discussing the early 911 market in this day and age, it's all speculation and conjecture based on previously observed sales that may or may not have happened, stories heard, predictions of which way the market is going, etc..

It's more like one of those CNBC money shows than any normal used car discussion. There are some valid arguments for why it's about to go soft and others for why it's far from the peak. It's all collector value now and has little to do with the intrinsic value of the item as something you would actually use as a car. Injecting a 2014 991 turbo into the discussion has as much relevance as new Tesla or any other modern luxury car. I've ridden in that new turbo S and it's loaded w/ luxury.

I do not follow the early car market closely because I'm not in it. My predictions are based only on sale prices I've seen which I'm fairly certain were real sales. If anything has changed very recently, I'd know nothing about it.

I have been on many car forums and mailinglists over the years. Often the people contributing the most in technical discussions have the least going on in the garage. Very common for the older guys unfortunately ... health, money, energy level ... getting old sucks!

G

I think it is safe to say we should have a new category of 911's. The SWB.
No longer is it safe to lump the SWB cars in with the longhoods, they should have their own category for more accurate discussion. Prices seem to reflect that.
and mid year cars are rapidly losing the bad stigma and have been gaining a following.
SC and Carrrea's have about the same place they have had for awhile, The final evolution of the 911.
Oh, and the last 911 was made in 1989 then they became hyphenated 911's, 964/911 993/911 and such.
And of course new cars do not really compare with old cars other than with money.

For some crazy reason I to have gotten recently interested in fasteners. I am sure you have seen this thread.
Porsche Fasteners - Nuts, Bolts, Screws and Washers

Yes, I am completely against the concept but do my best to keep it to myself. I see that offering as a contaminant introduced into the 911 community.

Agreed.

Agreed. I carried an 85.5 — 86 915 up two flights of stairs the other day and felt it for 2 days after. That was new.

Shaun is not conceited, he is convinced:cool:

LOL I knew a girl once who never changed her mind.

She just made up her mind over and over.

Amen! I respect the knowledge but damn if I just don't care.:D