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javadog 11-19-2015 05:12 AM

A month later you're still yammering about this song. Not even the top 5 best AC/DC songs, let alone anything important in the broader pantheon of rock and roll. As for Steve'n'Seagulls, god help me understand how they make a buck... Yet another reason to never visit Scandinavia, along with the crap weather, horrible food and what not.

Now, the Stone's song, on the other hand... that's worth some study.

JR

Hugh R 11-19-2015 02:35 PM

If you've never listened to the Beach Boys "Pet Sounds" its a great CD, it has a bunch of riffs showing how they took vocals and melded them to the music.

This NPR piece on "Good Vibrations" is excellent. The Story Of The Beach Boys' 'Good Vibrations' : NPR

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Bob Kontak 11-19-2015 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8883652)
A month later you're still yammering about this song. Not even the top 5 best AC/DC Now, the Stone's song, on the other hand... that's worth some study.

For the love of God.......... Really?

I brought both songs up.

For years my favorite was "You Shook me all Night Long". Probably still is.

Why the hate? What went wrong today? What bug crawled up your butt? This thread is fluff. You gotta lay the big turd in there to make what point, exactly? Perhaps to prove you are mean? Is that the intent? Nice.

javadog 11-19-2015 04:40 PM

Aww, lighten up, Francis. Just yanking your chain a little. Odd for you to get your nose out of joint, as you've yanked countless threads sideways... You know?

Seriously, though, I've listened to this song a bunch and don't see what all the fuss is about. Several songs from the Back In Black era seems to be more interesting. You familiar with their old work?

JR

Bob Kontak 11-20-2015 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8884534)
Aww, lighten up, Francis. Just yanking your chain a little. Odd for you to get your nose out of joint, as you've yanked countless threads sideways... You know?

Yanked sideways? No more than 300, absent wwest threads.

Stop confusing me with the facts.

Not ranking the song. The rhythm enters at one minute in. It's different.

Thanks for not ripping me to shreds for being a dick head, which I was.

Bob Kontak 11-20-2015 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8884534)
Seriously, though, I've listened to this song a bunch and don't see what all the fuss is about. Several songs from the Back In Black era seems to be more interesting.

Will check it out now. Assuming the first singer.

javadog 11-20-2015 05:40 PM

Listen to Back in Black on a really good sound system at moderate volume. You want to be able to hear all of the nuances of the song.

Then listen to Hells Bells.

JR

Bob Kontak 11-20-2015 06:27 PM

Post Bon Scott. Will listen tomorrow. "Tard" right now.

javadog 11-21-2015 01:53 AM

It was the first album after Scott's death and the title song is essentially a tribute to him. For me, Brian Johnson is the lead singer for the band. His 35 years overshadows what Scott did and when most people think of the lead singer's voice in their head, Johnson is who they hear. He contributed most of the material on that album.

Speaking of which, it has sold over 50 million copies making it the best selling hard rock album ever and the 2nd best selling album of any kind, after Michael Jackson's Thriller.

When you listen to it, you have to be able to hear the nuances of the playing. I want you to hear the sibilance of the cymbals, the effect of the pick on the guitar strings, etc. Mutt Lange produced the album and its sonic qualities are amazing. Some recording studios use it to see if their studios sound worth a ****, or not. They actually had a foundry cast the bell used on Hells Bells after they couldn't get the sound they wanted using church bells. If you like they progressive layering of Thunderstruck, you'll like the intro to Hells Bells.

This album needs to be heard on a good sound system; frankly it needs a better one than most people have. Use an original CD or a perfect copy of vinyl. If you download an MP3 file for this, or even think about listening to it on your computer, I shall put a hex on you.

Turn the lights out in the room.

JR

Bob Kontak 11-21-2015 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8886118)
I want you to hear the sibilance of the cymbals

If you download an MP3 file for this, or even think about listening to it on your computer, I shall put a hex on you.

Turn the lights out in the room.

I read Sybil back in the 70's but I'll trust you on this. :)

Spooling up.

I have a Sony GX67ES receiver from the early 90's. ES means "spiffy", I think. Also the first variant, non self powered Bose Acoustimass speakers. On the "B" speakers I have some tall, medium quality, JBL's with a very nice quality 8" JBL down-firing sub. "B" is not balanced as to quality. I will use the Bose only. Re-positioning speakers for the listen in the shop.

Friday and Saturday night here seems a social event so have to get the peeps out. Industrial park but there are still "neighbors" that visit. Odd bunch, but we get on ok.

Have acquired good quality source material. I am ready.

Mutt was Married to Shania, right? Her stuff was powerful. Bet most is from his production talent.

I will turn the lights off. No one here. What the hell.

For an average of a one joint every ten years guy, two tokes would be perfect.

Hells Bells. Yes, close to same impact as when the rhythm comes in on subject song. Same, "Damn, that sounds killer" in passages.

javadog 11-21-2015 03:10 PM

Mutt was married to Shania, yes. Can't figure out what he was thinking when he boned her friend. Guy's worth 200 million plus, ugly as a bulldog's ass and lands one of the top 3 best looking women on the planet. Then bones her best friend, who is worse looking than he is, on a good day. I give Shania all the credit for her singing, because she is so good looking. And, yes, she can carry a tune.

Not sure I'd pick the Bose over the JBL. Best would be to visit a high end audio dealer with a bottle of vintage Bourdeaux and some nice, stinky French cheese, and ask to demo their best system. Ask if they have any big JM Lab speakers. Give them a second bottle if they have any Grand Utopias.

You'll need about 45 minutes.

JR

Bob Kontak 11-21-2015 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8886815)
Give them a second bottle if they have any Grand Utopias.

You'll need about 45 minutes.

JR

OMG, you butt skunk. Peeps are gone, now another hurdle?

It's going down. Don't text me.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1448155908.jpg

Bob Kontak 11-21-2015 04:38 PM

This is what I got. It's going down.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1448156249.jpg

Bob Kontak 11-21-2015 04:39 PM

Deal with it. :D

Got a good beer buzz.

Bob Kontak 11-21-2015 05:47 PM

Ears are bleeding. A lot for an old man.

Going to listen with the JBL set up round 2.

Shake a Leg was sweet.

sugarwood 11-22-2015 05:33 AM

Bob, now try playing "Back in Black"
It has both chords and a chromatic riff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUczm9REC4c


https://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/a/acdc/back_in_black_ver8_tab.htm

Bob Kontak 11-22-2015 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 8887313)
Bob, now try playing "Back in Black"
It has both chords and a chromatic riff.

Stereo at my shop. Setting up guitar space at home. BTW did check if amp has the button you mentioned. It does not. One magnet on the Strat is dead The one furthest from the end with the twistie knobs. :)

Thanks for the link.

Bob Kontak 11-22-2015 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 8886999)
Ears are bleeding. A lot for an old man.

Going to listen with the JBL set up round 2.

I do have a set of large KLH speakers I can borrow and swap with the JBL's. They are better quality.

javadog 11-22-2015 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 8887374)
Stereo at my shop.

That thing at your shop is not a stereo. I've thrown away intercoms with better speakers than that.

Got any friends with stereos? :D

JR

Bob Kontak 11-22-2015 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8887399)
That thing at your shop is not a stereo. I've thrown away intercoms with better speakers than that.

Got any friends with stereos? :D

JR

Just called my pal near Oil City, PA to ask about your amp question.

He has four Infinity Quantum 2 speakers and twin McIntosh amps (he was into quad).

Have another friend with Rotel equipment. RMB1075 amp / RSB1066 pre-amp/surround sound processor & B&W speakers. Will see him over New Years. That is the best bet. Mine dialed in with larger speakers will sound good but is not close to reference equipment.

2nd guy thought the intercom comment was pretty damned funny.

First guy mentioned Phase Linear along with the age caveat. I see them on Ebay. I could ping him about the second McIntosh amp if interested. Only 150 watts per channel. He is now deaf in one ear.

I will say the Bose bass box did not have the kick it needed at moderate volumes so I turned it up. Hence, the ear discomfort.

Album together is better than singles separately but old news to their fans.

Bob Kontak 12-20-2015 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8883652)
A month later you're still yammering about this song.

I just listened to it again on my intercom speakers. It is outstanding.

It's not the same as the standard rock songs they crafted. Different formula.

Now coffeecur, I am happy to loan you my Acoustimass speakers for a brief time so you can enjoy and assess given you gots no speakers. I have the KLH's as discussed or perhaps an old set of 6X9 Jensens from a '78 Trans AM.

I love this tune.

javadog 12-21-2015 04:49 AM

I have plenty of speakers, just sold the Krell gear to drive them.

Not saying I'm completely out of stereo gear.

Still like several songs from Back in Black infinitely better than Thunderstruck... That one's never going to make my top 100 list.

Been wishing I could play that Stones song...

JR

Rick Lee 12-21-2015 08:06 AM

Have a Drink on Me is easily the best Brian Johnson-era AC/DC tune. Flame away.

Nostril Cheese 12-21-2015 11:33 AM

I'll second that.

But Bon Scott... NO comparison..

javadog 12-21-2015 11:35 AM

Meh...

JR

Nostril Cheese 12-21-2015 12:15 PM

you shook me all night long through a Bose wave radio......

Bob Kontak 12-21-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 8926739)
you shook me all night long through a Bose wave radio......

That's cold. Be careful........JR's a ninja.

FWIW, I did just start listening to the High Voltage Album.

I don't know squat about ACDC in the grand picture. A couple years back there was a Pink Floyd thread and I went way back and listened to the Eugene/ax song/album. I don't know squat about them either. Cool thing is it's there for the taking.

Beer works well with ACDC. The old Pink Floyd stuff will require rekindling forgotten "contacts".

PorscheGAL 12-21-2015 12:54 PM

Thunderstruck is one of my favorites and I can't wait to see it played live in March 2016.

Eric Coffey 12-21-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8886118)
Mutt Lange produced the album and its sonic qualities are amazing. Some recording studios use it to see if their studios sound worth a ****, or not.

A lot of credit for that "sonic quality" goes to Tony Platt and Bob Ludwig, IMO.
Quote:

Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8886118)
This album needs to be heard on a good sound system; frankly it needs a better one than most people have. Use an original CD or a perfect copy of vinyl. If you download an MP3 file for this, or even think about listening to it on your computer, I shall put a hex on you.

If you want the best experience/sound, you will need to source an original 1980 Atlantic "A" pressing on vinyl. They aren't too hard to find either. Look for "Masterdisc" and/or "RL" (Robert Ludwig) in the deadwax.

For the CD, find an original 1980 (Barry Diament mastered) release. These are also plentiful, and are cut from the original Ludwig masters. They are easy to spot with "AC/DC" and "Back In Black" both in bold white font (not outlines), and "Back In Black" at the very bottom of the jewel case. They should have "SRC" in the disc's matrix code, indicating they were pressed at Specialty Record Corp.
If you want to get real picky (and have several copies to chose from) you might grab the one with the earlier father/mother/stamper numbers (SRC 01, 1-1-1, etc.).
It probably doesn't matter much, but I'd rather have something from the first glass master, father and mother than the 25th, etc.

SmileWavy

Nostril Cheese 12-21-2015 01:42 PM

Screw your diamond coated planar dick ribbons.

Give me a 100w Marshall. I'll give you good sound.

Bob Kontak 12-22-2015 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 8926842)
Screw your diamond coated planar dick ribbons.

Give me a 100w Marshall. I'll give you good sound.


You are just tearing this place up.

Me thinks you got some of the good thang recently.

yel911 12-22-2015 08:34 AM

Watch the "Let there be rock" video with Bon, in Paris 1979. When it was released there were a few movie theaters playing it with amps every 10-15 feet up the isles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfNU7BdbOgU

Nostril Cheese 12-22-2015 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 8927824)
You are just tearing this place up.

Me thinks you got some of the good thang recently.

Perhaps.. This place is a never ending cavalcade of absurdist entertainment. PARF is like watching Hee Haw on acid.

javadog 12-22-2015 10:05 AM

Not a fan of Bon... Brian is a much more powerful singer. I don't think they'll ever top Back in Black.

JR

Nostril Cheese 12-22-2015 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8928031)
Not a fan of Bon... Brian is a much more powerful singer. I don't think they'll ever top Back in Black.

JR

Thats like saying Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings...

rcecale 12-22-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 8840554)
...just intrigued why this song is so wonderful to listen to.

This song is number 1 on my play list whenever I go for a run. The first :50 is my warm up time, and for the next minute I really start to get into my groove. At the 1:50 mark, when the drums come in strong, it's on!!!

Randy

javadog 12-22-2015 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostril Cheese (Post 8928044)
Thats like saying Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings...

Well, he was. Not saying I don't like the Beatles... I do, certain albums in particular. Some of their recordings were crap, though. And, he did record some interesting stuff with Wings.

I watched a little of the 1979 Paris concert in the clip posted above. Wasn't impressed.

It's a bit like choosing the 'best" Van Halen singer. Arguments for both Dave and Sammy... but most people have only one they like.

JR

Rick Lee 12-22-2015 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8928031)
Not a fan of Bon... Brian is a much more powerful singer. I don't think they'll ever top Back in Black.

JR

No one but Michael Jackson ever topped Back in Black with numbers sold, AFAIK. But the Bon stuff was way better. Dirty Deeds and Highway to Hell were far better. Though BIB is definitely the greatest comeback album of all time. But the songs were pretty much written and ready to be recorded when Bon died.

javadog 12-22-2015 10:37 AM

See, everybody picks sides...

There is one album that sold more than Back in Black.... Thriller. So, you might consider that Back in Black is better, since album sales is more of an average of everybody's opinion. Not a better way to judge, since you have your own money behind every vote.

I have to say, I don't give a rat's ass about who wrote what on an album. For the record, I do think they discarded Bon's contribution to the lyrics, in favor of what Brian wrote.

An album is a performance, by all involved. It's unique and it's all about how it sounds.

JR

Nostril Cheese 12-22-2015 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 8928067)

It's a bit like choosing the 'best" Van Halen singer. Arguments for both Dave and Sammy... but most people have only one they like.

JR

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I like 5150. I'll give you that. :D


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