Gun Price Outlook

[jyl]

Do we expect another crazy surge in gun prices, especially semi auto and high capacity stuff, given the approaching elections?

Or do we think that the last two gun frenzies filled the gun safes and emptied the wallets of most everyone so inclined?

Keep this out of PARF. This isn't a thread to discuss the candidates. Just the topic of gun prices.

[Brando]

Depending on who gets elected, really.

[widgeon13]

yes,

if Hillary is elected she'll try to take them = civil war.

If Bernie is elected he'll take your money which will me more home burglaries = civil unrest.

If Trump is elected = civil war just because the libs are pissed.

[pavulon]

I'm new to the loop. Where are prices currently?

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by pavulon

I'm new to the loop. Where are prices currently?

We yet to recover from the last go round on ammo. I'm still seeing .22 LR at 35 to 45 USD/500.

I saw a very sweet Henry lever action .357 at $820 USD.

[93nav]

You are seeing .22 LR? Where? Was bigfoot selling it?

Originally Posted by flatbutt

We yet to recover from the last go round on ammo. I'm still seeing .22 LR at 35 to 45 USD/500.

I saw a very sweet Henry lever action .357 at $820 USD.

To the OP's original question. I check armslist on occasion, and it seems like there are more spoon for sale than before.

[Arizona_928]

Every spoon I have bought has come up in price since I have bought it. I waited until black friday to get a ridiculous deal on rem at cabelas.

I am looking at a few spoons, but I will buy them before the election is over.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by 93nav

You are seeing .22 LR? Where? Was bigfoot selling it?



To the OP's original question. I check armslist on occasion, and it seems like there are more spoon for sale than before.

Plenty on local shelves at 10c/round, been buying low end match ammo any time I want for 13c/round delivered to my door

[tabs]

I first started noticing spoon prices when my Daddy took me to a local VFW gun show back in 1962. Back then a matching Luger would be $50 to $75, a Mauser mdl 96 $75. Colt 1911's $35 to $50. In 1967 M1A's $75, Jap 7.7 wt Mum intact $15.00.

Jump to 1979 when I started collecting Spoons..Mauser mdl 96 $650, Luger's $600 to $800, M1 Garand $650, SW Mdl 29-2 $415, Colt Python $400, Colt 1911 $275. Shiloh Sharps $650 Rem 1903 A3 154.00

Luger's for instance remained relatively flat from the mid 1970's through 2000 when they almost over night doubled...now a junk Luger is about a 1000, where as a Naval Luger went from 2600 to nearly 5000.

And on goes the story..

Rock Island auction 2 weeks ago had Colt 1911 US military No. 11XX in nearly mint condition....$57,500.00 with Buyers commission at 15%. Winchester mdl 1886 SN 1..$1,256,000.00.

As I have been telling you since 2008 it seems people would rather have the spoon than the cash. Nearly every time I look at auction pricing I am astounded at how strong prices have become. This collectors market is a bit different from the NIB retail market where the spoon is still in production.

So to answer the question spoon prices are moving up in a bull market that has been going on since 1997. The caveat is that something things get hot and others cool off but the trend is ever up ward.

[UconnTim97]

I've stocked up over the last few years when I found sales, etc. I won't need to buy anything for quite some time.
Now if there is a zombie attack....

[HardDrive]

Plenty of .22 around these days.

If Hillary is elected, there WILL be a strong push on 'assault weapons'.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by tabs

I first started noticing spoon prices when my Daddy took me to a local VFW gun show back in 1962. Back then a matching Luger would be $50 to $75, a Mauser mdl 96 $75. Colt 1911's $35 to $50. In 1967 M1A's $75, Jap 7.7 wt Mum intact $15.00.

Jump to 1979 when I started collecting Spoons..Mauser mdl 96 $650, Luger's $600 to $800, M1 Garand $650, SW Mdl 29-2 $415, Colt Python $400, Colt 1911 $275. Shiloh Sharps $650 Rem 1903 A3 154.00

Luger's for instance remained relatively flat from the mid 1970's through 2000 when they almost over night doubled...now a junk Luger is about a 1000, where as a Naval Luger went from 2600 to nearly 5000.

And on goes the story..

Rock Island auction 2 weeks ago had Colt 1911 US military No. 11XX in nearly mint condition....$57,500.00 with Buyers commission at 15%. Winchester mdl 1886 SN 1..$1,256,000.00.

As I have been telling you since 2008 it seems people would rather have the spoon than the cash. Nearly every time I look at auction pricing I am astounded at how strong prices have become. This collectors market is a bit different from the NIB retail market where the spoon is still in production.

So to answer the question spoon prices are moving up in a bull market that has been going on since 1997. The caveat is that something things get hot and others cool off but the trend is ever up ward.

Thanks but my question was about production guns, specifically semi auto high capacity - as stated in the initial post.

[Rick Lee]

I can't see any new federal gun laws getting passed. BUT, say they pass some silly huge tax on gun purchases from FFLs. In the states that allow private party sales (which is most of them), that would drive used gun prices up to just below whatever FFLs had to charge for the same used gun, maybe more for the privilege of having it off the books. I doubt a lot of states would comply with any new gun laws, ATF would be overwhelmed and would resort to more selective enforcement as a deterrent, once in a while making examples out of people who didn't know what they were getting into, but not really going after bad guys. Can't see prices going down, despite a huge surge in availability on the used market. I have most of what I'd ever need, so I only look for deals that are too good to pass up.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

We yet to recover from the last go round on ammo. I'm still seeing .22 LR at 35 to 45 USD/500.

I saw a very sweet Henry lever action .357 at $820 USD.

Only recently have I begun to shoot my Henry Golden Boy in .22lr, and it suits me just fine . Using up my older assorted stuff as it began to appear on the shelves around here, and it's still hit or miss but better. At Wallyworld, they'll still be rare, but at around 7, 8 per round (Winchester, Federal....haven't seen CCI). I've seen decent quantities of CCI at Gander Mtn., at .08/rd, but held off....Field & Stream has LOTS of CCI and others at .10/rd. Follow the money....

Btw...I've been shooting my Marlin in .357 too...just isn't the same as the old .30-30 though.

[varmint]

i keep thinking we've reached a saturation level of gun ownership. my safe can't fit anymore.

but can never have too much ammo. that's where i'd put my money.

[jyl]

Originally Posted by varmint

i keep thinking we've reached a saturation level of gun ownership. my safe can't fit anymore.

but can never have too much ammo. that's where i'd put my money.

This is what I'm wondering about. If one of the candidates wins, the chances of an attempt at some sort of gun legislation will increase. Normally that would drive a surge in gun sales. But we've had two such surges in recent years, and I wonder if everyone who would be inclined to stock up on guns has already done so. There is, afaik, less ways to speculate on higher sales of ammunition or high capacity magazines, than there are ways to speculate on higher sales of guns.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by jyl

If one of the candidates wins,

I'm pretty sure one of the candidates will win.

[onewhippedpuppy]

You can't really decouple this conversation from the candidates. If Trump wins, nothing will change. If Hillary wins, there will be another run on guns and ammo (especially the "assault" rifles), because she has a very established track record of pushing for and speaking on the topic of gun control.

[MRM]

I've read a few investment articles about gun manufacturers over the past few years. The gun industry had a period of explosive growth but now the consensus seems to be that the gun industry is fully tooled up for any new demand and that there are probably too many manufacturers to be sustainable for the long term.

There is innovation, but guns last almost forever, so eventually we will hit a saturation point where all the guns in circulation fill the market demand and there's limited need for new guns, unless you want one with a new feature. I can't see new prices rising much long term with the number of manufactures able to pump out product to meet any demand. I do think that eventually prices in the used market will fall.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by jyl

Thanks but my question was about production guns, specifically semi auto high capacity - as stated in the initial post.

If you had thought critically you would have been able to discern the answer to your question. To make it simple for you prices are climbing right across the spectrum with no end in sight.