What kind of phone wire /internet wire

[afterburn 549]

I want to move a phone and internet to a cottage 300 ' feet back from the main structure.
Can i just run another phone line attached to the one that comes off the pole to the 1st house? (and plug in the modem ?)
I need some ABCs here.
thanx!

[id10t]

For phone? yes. CAT 3 will work but you'll need CAT5 for ethernet. You'll connect from the interface outside your house and then run in-ground cable to cottage. to an interface there. Then more CAT3/5 in the walls to a jack or jacks where the phone(s) get plugged in

For your intertoobs I'd run ethernet from your existing router out. Of course you probably dont have a well done central point with patch panel. switch, etc

And 300' is right at the limit for ethernet. And you need to seperate it from electricity. so sharing a conduit out to cottage wont work.

[afterburn 549]

Thanx for the fast response-
I need phone and net in both places.
So run Cat 5 and be done??
Or are you saying two kinds of wires?

[rwest]

The phone only needs cat 3, but you can use cat 5/6 if you want, just be more expensive, but if you need 300 feet for each one, buying just one large spool of cat5/6 would be the way I would go.

Yes, run two cables one for each.

[rwest]

Just re-read your original post. Sounds like your internet is supplied by the phone company and on the same line, correct? Then you just need to run the one wire.

[afterburn 549]

Yes, the phone and net are from the phone company

[id10t]

Two wires. One for ethernet (uses all 8 wires) and one for phone (each line can use 2 wires). There are ways of doing sloppy/lazy/"wrong" and put a phone line on the same cable as ethernet, but it is wrong.

I'd plan on burying a conduit and run phone, ethernet, and coax for cable TV in it all at once.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by id10t

Two wires. One for ethernet (uses all 8 wires) and one for phone (each line can use 2 wires). There are ways of doing sloppy/lazy/"wrong" and put a phone line on the same cable as ethernet, but it is wrong.

I'd plan on burying a conduit and run phone, ethernet, and coax for cable TV in it all at once.

Sounds like his internet comes in on the phone line- that's how mine is too, no separate line, you plug the phone and wifi router into the same jack.

Afterburn, where you planning on putting wifi in the cabin or just a plug in Internet?

[dad911]

I'd do wireless, or if the cabin shares the same main electrical panel, then there are adapters to transmit the signal through electric outlets. (Instajack)

[id10t]

Originally Posted by rwest

Sounds like his internet comes in on the phone line- that's how mine is too, no separate line, you plug the phone and wifi router into the same jack.

Afterburn, where you planning on putting wifi in the cabin or just a plug in Internet?

That would be DSL. In which case you have a "modem" and router combined into one device. I'd bet that only ONE "modem" can be connected and authenticated, so unless he is going w/o internet in the main house, he'll need to bridge off the existing router/modem set up.

[dad911]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

I want to move a phone and internet to a cottage 300 ' feet back from the main structure.
Can i just run another phone line attached to the one that comes off the pole to the 1st house? (and plug in the modem ?)
I need some ABCs here.
thanx!

I think we may be a little confused about the end result, because you say 'Move'. I assumed you want to add a phone and internet connection, in addition to the existing. Not move the existing service to the new location(cottage)

If so, I see a few solutions:
1) run 2 lines- cat 5 or cat6 cables, the internet one would attach to a port on your router, or switch. Phone would tie in parallel to existing phone line. While cat3 would be good enough, it just makes sense to use better cable.

2) Wireless for both (or either) For data use a range extender, or access point (basically a second wireless router)

3) adapters to transmit the signal over power lines.

4) Wireless for internet, and use a voip adapter for phone (voice over IP) like this: https://smile.amazon.com/OBi200-VoIP-Phone-Adapter-T-38/dp/B00BUV7C9A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467035754&sr=8-1&keywords=obi VOIP (Voice Over IP) would translate the phone (voice) signal over the data network (IP)

IMHO I would do #4. Wireless is easy, new phone line with a google voice number is basically free.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by dad911

I think we may be a little confused about the end result, because you say 'Move'. I assumed you want to add a phone and internet connection, in addition to the existing. Not move the existing service to the new location(cottage)

If so, I see a few solutions:
1) run 2 lines- cat 5 or cat6 cables, the internet one would attach to a port on your router, or switch. Phone would tie in parallel to existing phone line. While cat3 would be good enough, it just makes sense to use better cable.

2) Wireless for both (or either) For data use a range extender, or access point (basically a second wireless router)

3) adapters to transmit the signal over power lines.

4) Wireless for internet, and use a voip adapter for phone (voice over IP) like this: https://smile.amazon.com/OBi200-VoIP-Phone-Adapter-T-38/dp/B00BUV7C9A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1467035754&sr=8-1&keywords=obi VOIP (Voice Over IP) would translate the phone (voice) signal over the data network (IP)

IMHO I would do #4. Wireless is easy, new phone line with a google voice number is basically free.

On the flip side I would avoid wireless for infrastructure hauls unless absolutely unavoidable. Too much signal congestion, etc.

[afterburn 549]

Thanx for all the help and suggestions
I bought 250 feet of CAT 5 something "they" said should work.
Sorry about my confusing language -
I would like the phone and NET to work equally well in both structures.

[beepbeep]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

Thanx for all the help and suggestions
I bought 250 feet of CAT 5 something "they" said should work.
Sorry about my confusing language -
I would like the phone and NET to work equally well in both structures.

- Keep "the modem" in the structure 1
- Roll out Cat 5e between structure 1 and Structure 2.
- use one (twisted) pair of wires on Cat 5e cable to carry phone traffic (connect in parallel with existing line in structure 1).
- Use two (twisted) pairs of Cat 5e cable to carry Ethernet traffic (only four wires are needed for 100Mbit traffic, and I doubt your ADSL modem can provide even half of it).
- If your ADSL modem has a built in switch, you can just plug the structure 2 into one of ports. Otherwise, you will need a network switch as well.
- In order to split cat 5e cable into "two" cables with four wires each, you will need an adapter on each side.

[Gogar]

If you're going to run some wires,

run the newest tech you can find,

Cause ain't nobody going backwards and going to simpler wire.

[beepbeep]

Cat 5e is good for 1Gbit/sec using all four pairs. If you didn't deploy the cable, I recommend deploying Cat 6 instead. It is marginally more expensive and has better electrical characteristics (=more headroom).

Especially so as length of 300 foot = 92m, which is near guaranteed limit of 100m.

[afterburn 549]

What confuses me is this-
I think the phone company brings the phone and net into the 1st place with just two wires.
Once inside the house, there is a splitter , then a modem .
If i am right, -why could i not run a phone wire to the next structure and put the splitter there and the modem?.
I will have to admit this is greek to me, so use small words
Thanx!

[gacook]

If it was me, I'd just run one Cat5 cable from the primary router out to the cottage into another access point, and then use a VoIP phone out there. You can get them dirt cheap (Vonage, and a few other companies these days), and service for VoIP is cheap/reliable, too (reliable as long as you have internet access, that is).

[flipper35]

Originally Posted by afterburn 549

What confuses me is this-
I think the phone company brings the phone and net into the 1st place with just two wires.
Once inside the house, there is a splitter , then a modem .
If i am right, -why could i not run a phone wire to the next structure and put the splitter there and the modem?.
I will have to admit this is greek to me, so use small words
Thanx!

Is there a reason you would want the modem in structure 2 instead of structure 1?

If you are pulling, just pull a couple cables and put another phone in structure 2 or pull one and use a cordless phone system and use a switch or wireless access point in structure 2.

[afterburn 549]

Modem in structure two because i am there the most, -perhaps that is not a good reason.
I dont understand why I just can not extend the phone cable to the other structure .
That would be the most simple thing, just duplicate what the other structure has .
Perhaps that just will not work for an unknown reason to me .
Like i said, its latin to me...I do appreciate all the help here and just trying to take the most efficient EZ approach .
Have patience .