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1990C4S 09-12-2016 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 9219488)
Engine forum maybe? Not that anyone will be disinterested.


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Originally Posted by rardon (Post 9266394)
Engine forum maybe? Not that anyone will be disinterested.

Another pithy quote that grabbed the spammers attention. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 9266525)
STOP QUOTING SPAMMERS!!!!!

They hide images in their posts for tracking. When you quote them, you DOUBLE their tracking.

If you want to quote them, put spaces in their image URLs.

I removed the spammers URL's when I pasted his quote...

Amail 09-12-2016 07:27 AM

Oh, for Pete's sake!

wdfifteen 09-12-2016 07:38 AM

That engine is a thing of beauty. Thanks for the thread and all the great pictures!

1990C4S 09-12-2016 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Amail (Post 9277513)
Oh, for Pete's sake!

The spammers love me!

syncroid 09-12-2016 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9277526)
That engine is a thing of beauty. Thanks for the thread and all the great pictures!

Thank you. Not finished yet. There will be more. FYI, If anyone wants to download all of the pictures when the motor is done, the original post has a link to the database that you can do a zip download of the complete gallery.

herr_oberst 09-12-2016 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 9277526)
That engine is a thing of beauty.

Inside and out!

edgemar 09-15-2016 10:04 AM

any plans to bench test or dyno it?

syncroid 09-15-2016 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by edgemar (Post 9282377)
any plans to bench test or dyno it?

Yes. I need to talk to Jerry Woods and see what he would charge for doing the initial run in/break in on it. There is another place that does it too that Ted from German Precision recommended. I think it would be nice to show that the motor is solid inside and out.

gtc 09-15-2016 02:59 PM

Looks nice... almost exactly how I rebuilt mine last year.
What chip do you plan to use with the 964 cams?

syncroid 09-15-2016 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gtc (Post 9282801)
Looks nice... almost exactly how I rebuilt mine last year.
What chip do you plan to use with the 964 cams?

Thank you.
I do not have a car for the motor, thus, no DME control unit. That is for whomever buys the motor to determine what chip they want for their car. If I did have a car, it would be a Steve Wong chip (911chips.com) hands down. Steve made a custom chip for my twin plugged 3.4 motor in my 87 Carrera a few years back. I was very happy with it. Purred like a kitten. :cool:

I took off from work early today and drove up to Parts Heaven in Hayward to visit "Big AL", and Spencer. I bought a nice set of heat exchangers from them for the motor. (remember, it did not come with an exhaust system) From there I went to German Precision armed with an 18 pack of suds for Ted and glass beaded the heat exchangers. I'll head to the shop tomorrow and get those painted up nice, mounted on the motor, and do what ever else I can on it. Other then that....I am going to take it easy this weekend and take some time off with the family.
As always, more pictures coming your way.

Thank you for following the thread! As Joe Bob posted....$1,000,000.00 dollars!

syncroid 09-16-2016 01:39 PM

Heater boxes cleaned up very nicely. I wanted to do more today but I am kind of stuck now waiting for the plating stuff to be finished. I also need to procure a catalytic converter and heater piping that is sandwiched between the muffler and heat exchangers.

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911boost 09-16-2016 02:17 PM

ooooh I like

syncroid 10-01-2016 02:18 PM

I got the hardware back from the platers today. I also got my fan, fan housing, strap, and pulley parts back from being refinished. I spent quite awhile today putting the injection system back together. It's getting closer to being finished. :) I have a few more pieces that I need to buy still.

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syncroid 10-01-2016 02:21 PM

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mikedsilva 10-01-2016 03:00 PM

The finish on the fan and shroud is sensational.

syncroid 10-01-2016 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mikedsilva (Post 9302065)
The finish on the fan and shroud is sensational.

I have Mark Motshagen to thank for that.

onewhippedpuppy 10-01-2016 03:42 PM

It's a thing of beauty! Nicely done!

peppy 10-01-2016 06:28 PM

Love it.

wildthing 10-02-2016 06:32 AM

Beautiful.

pavulon 10-02-2016 06:38 AM

needs the 10HP Green Bay sticker!SmileWavy

Ray 911s 10-03-2016 11:31 AM

Did the fuel pressure regulators go through the plating bath?

syncroid 10-03-2016 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray 911s (Post 9304153)
Did the fuel pressure regulators go through the plating bath?

The ones in the pictures did but they were plugged. The ones that are on the engine are brand new.

Go Packers! :D

GH85Carrera 10-03-2016 11:56 AM

That is a pretty engine. Did it sell as yet?

syncroid 10-03-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 9304192)
That is a pretty engine. Did it sell as yet?

Thank you. Not yet. I still have not added up all the parts. Scared to. :eek: I plan on making a list of all new parts and all of the parts that I have had to source used. Also, the machine work that was done.

GH85Carrera 10-03-2016 12:14 PM

We all would love to see what that beauty cost to replicate. I am not in the market, my engine only has 16,000 miles since a total rebuild.

syncroid 10-07-2016 06:25 PM

I have put the rest of the heater ducting on and bolted on the muffler. The only things left to do at this point are to take it out of the engine stand, mount the new flywheel and clutch assembly (yes...NEW), make the calls to Jerry Woods for dynoing, and go from there.
OH! And add up all the receipts and make the list of parts new & used here. Ugh!!! NOT tonight.

MBAtarga 10-07-2016 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by syncroid (Post 9219484)
I just received my core engine today that I purchased here on Pelican. I purchased it less exhaust system. I am going to do a full rebuild on this motor and thought it would be kind of fun to document and share the process from start to finish. When I am finished with the motor, it will be up for sale.

I am expecting about a two month time period.

Hop on and enjoy the ride. :)

The above is the first post in the thread - dated 7/29 - and here you are 10/7 and basically "finished." Seems you met the goal!

syncroid 10-13-2016 03:57 PM

It's done...for the most part. I spoke with Jerry Woods yesterday about getting it broken in on the dyno. He said it may be a bit before he can get me in. The only things left to do are to remove it from the engine stand, install the flywheel seal, flywheel, ring gear, clutch assembly, and the last piece of sheet metal. Here she is. :)

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syncroid 10-13-2016 04:00 PM

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And the LIST!

New parts list:

Main bearings. std./std.
Rod bearings. std.
ARP rod bolts & nuts.
Rod bushings.
Countershaft bearings. std.
Countershaft sprockets.
Timing chains.
Idler sprockets.
Idler shafts.
Cam sprockets.
Chain rails.
Upper and lower end gaskets sets. (Wrightwood Racing)
Steel head studs. (Raceware)
Oil return tubes.
Oil pressure switch. (OEM)
Oil pressure sender. (OEM)
Barrels and pistons. (Mahle Nikasil)
Intake valves.
Exhaust valves.
Valve guides.
Valve stem seals.
Valve springs.
Cylinder head nuts and washers.
Rocker shafts including inner hardware.
Rockers.
Swivel feet and jamb nuts.
Cam tower oil galley plugs.
Cam end cover plates.
Cam feed lines and pipes.
Air cleaner assembly.
Speed and reference mark sensors.
Oxygen sensor.
CO% sample plug.
Breather hoses.
All new engine fuel lines. (OEM)
Fuel pressure regulator.
Fuel pressure dampner.
Engine tin at speed and reference sensor area.
Center intake boot and clamps.
Rubber vacuum elboes and Y's.
Sheet metal combo bolts.
Intake manifold nuts and washers. (OEM)
Intake manifold heat insulator blocks.
Heater blower fan and rubber mounts.
Exhaust studs and nuts.
Injector seal kits.
Alternator ground cable.
Alternator air deflector. (in back of alternator)
Spark plug wire set.
Spark plugs, ditributor cap, & rotor.
Alternator belt.
Main engine oil pipe.
Cushsion clamp and support bracket for pipe.
Crimp clamps for brake booster venturi assembly.
Stainless vacuum venturi pipe. (OEM)$$$
Support bracket for venturi assembly.
Catalytic covertor heat sheild brackets, captive nuts, bolts, & washers.
Muffler straps & bolts. (OEM)
Muffler tip. (OEM)
Heater pipe sleeves and hose clamps.
Flywheel, pressure plate, clutch disc, throw out brg, flywheel, and clutch bolts.
Pilot bearing.
Misc. mounting hardware.
Stickers for oil fill and air conditioning quantities.

Machined or refinished items:

Crankshaft. Magged, Polished, oil galley plugs r&r and cleaned, cross drilled for better oil delivery.(CCR)
Connecting rods. Recondtioned with new rod bushings. (German Precision)
Cylinder heads. Complete valve job. (MTE Inc.)
964 spec Camshafts. (Elgin Cams)
Plating. (Swift Metal Refinishing)
Fan, housing, strap, and pulley hardware. (Mark Motshagen)
Powder coating. (West Coast Powder Coating)

Used parts sourced:

Heater boxes & cross over pipe.
Stainless heater cross over pipe.
Muffler, catalytic converter, cat. conv. heat sheild.
Plastic heater "S" pipe.
Brake booster venturi assembly.
Speed and reference sensor mounting bracket.

I am sure there are a few items that I have forgotten to include.

onewhippedpuppy 10-13-2016 05:32 PM

That's purty, job well done!

GH85Carrera 10-14-2016 07:27 AM

I bet that parts list was over a hundred bucks!

Beautiful engine. I am real glad I don't need it. :D

911boost 10-14-2016 09:21 AM

Damn that looks pretty

syncroid 10-14-2016 06:00 PM

Thank you for the kudos on the build. I take a lot of pride in the motors I build. I do not enjoy the clean up and prep work of building engines. I am my own worst critic. It is a ton of work and elbow grease! If it isn't "Dan" clean, it is not clean enough! I do enjoy the build process and the hunt for missing parts. I also enjoy the time helping others to see what it takes to do the job right.

And now to answer the question that I am sure a lot of you have been waiting for...Price.

The price is $30,000 outright. Price updated3/2/17

porsche4life 10-14-2016 10:46 PM

She's a beauty dan! best wishes on the sale!!!

avi8torny 10-15-2016 04:50 AM

Crickets after you posted the price...��.......that's a lot of coin for an engine without a car.
You do nice work. Can't wait to see it on Jerry's dyno.

911boost 10-18-2016 04:55 PM

Yeeeeahh, that is a tiny bit over my budget to repower my Westfalia....

Good luck selling it!

syncroid 10-19-2016 05:01 PM

Well it looks like dyno time at Jerry's is out of the question. Minimum two month wait time. I am going to check out one other recommendation. Worse comes to worse, I will make arrangements with one of our customers to "borrow" their car for the break in.

Price dropped 3/2/2017

syncroid 03-03-2017 04:00 PM

Price dropped 3/2/2017

Rodsrsr 03-04-2017 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by avi8torny (Post 9320036)
Crickets after you posted the price...��.......that's a lot of coin for an engine without a car.
You do nice work. Can't wait to see it on Jerry's dyno.


A 3.6 would have appealed to a broader market. Most of the guys swapping motors on an early car (69 thru 83) are skipping the 3.2 and going straight to the 3.6 especially at that price point. This motor is almost basically stock which seems to conflict with the objectives sought by most hobbyists looking to put together a "big" motor/early car hotrod, so although beautifully executed and documented, I think the market for this engine at the current price point is very small. Having said that, it only takes one buyer. The engine looks fantastic, good luck with the sale.

simmersonwheels 12-31-2018 11:14 AM

Don't kid yourselves, this was a bargain.
 
When I first read his thread, I thought that's a lot of money for a stock 3.2.
After rebuilding my own 3.2 with 70k miles, and really trying to make it right, my perspective is- this motor was a freaking bargain for the level, of skill and detail that went into it.
Yes, it could have been rebuilt cheaper- no plating, redo rockers, plate cylinders, etc, but this wasn't about that- this was a quality build, no corners cut.
On another note to the poster- thanks for posting the links to your build pics. I received my engine partially disassembled, and your photos answered many questions. A true resource.
Thanks!


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