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pavulon 09-15-2016 06:03 PM

Glad to have the discussion. It's rare to be able to do that anymore.

I don't think the reason someone is being bullied much matters. The problem is that someone is being treated unjustly regardless of 'why'. If the person being bullied was physically handicapped, would 'gimp' be ok? Or if they were mentally challenged, does 'retard' make the situation more clear? No. The situational background had already been written.

As you pointed out, the issue is bullying. If we are going to support doing the right thing, let's not kinda support it. It's ok to commit to doing right even if none of us is perfect. Here, "tranny" doesn't add any information. Using "tranny" does however suggest that there is something legitimate about what was happening.

Again, I fall down on this stuff too. But having a kid with a disability/handicap issue has been an eye-opener for me. That and having been befriended by a guy who happens to also be gay as well as recently becoming acquainted with another really bright and pleasant person who went the full distance on gender reassignment makes me a bit more sensitive to how narrow my perspective has been.

SmileWavy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 9282944)
"Person" does not describe the unique situation. This is not in any way routine.

This person - and then you have to add "who dressed up like a girl".

Are you thinking no on the gender business clarification?

Honestly, I am stable right now. Been taking my anti-a-hole meds and everything.

Just sincerely curious. No downside.


cstreit 09-15-2016 06:17 PM

I love the fact that he was both able to reason that while the guy deserved a pounding, it wasn't worth it, and he stood up for what was right, even if he didn't agree with it.

WPOZZZ 09-15-2016 08:34 PM

From the title, I thought a Vietnamese kid was being bullied.

Your son was brave to stand up for someone that was being bullied. Congrats to him! I just hope the kids don't start ganging up on him.

KFC911 09-16-2016 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 9283038)
...

Again, I fall down on this stuff too. But having a kid with a disability/handicap issue has been an eye-opener for me. That and having been befriended by a guy who happens to also be gay as well as recently becoming acquainted with another really bright and pleasant person who went the full distance on gender reassignment makes me a bit more sensitive to how narrow my perspective has been.

SmileWavy

Thank you....like most I read Mike's post and didn't think one second about his choice of words...just focused on the positive. Times change...I will too, and I typically don't give a damn about being politically correct.

Great thread...:)

berettafan 09-16-2016 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak (Post 9282901)
Ok, cross-dresser?

The bully part is the key.

bingo.

that the person being picked on is suffering a mental disorder and has fallen victim to liberal child abuse is irrelevant to the story. the kid stood up for someone 'uncool'. that takes character.

dewolf 09-16-2016 05:33 AM

^
Didn't take long for the crap to start.

creaturecat 09-16-2016 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by berettafan (Post 9283328)
bingo.

that the person being picked on is suffering a mental disorder and has fallen victim to liberal child abuse is irrelevant to the story. the kid stood up for someone 'uncool'. that takes character.

if it weren't for liberal values, the kid woulda got the **** beat out of him.

lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl/Submit
adjective
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people"
(in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
"a liberal democratic state"
synonyms: progressive, advanced, modern, forward-looking, forward-thinking, progressivist, enlightened, reformist, radical
"a liberal social agenda"
of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
adjective: Liberal
(in the UK) of or relating to the Liberal Democrat Party.
adjective: Liberal
"the Liberal leader"
THEOLOGY
regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2.
(of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
synonyms: wide-ranging, broad-based, general
"a liberal education"
3.
(especially of an interpretation of a law) broadly construed or understood; not strictly literal or exact.
"they could have given the 1968 Act a more liberal interpretation"
synonyms: flexible, broad, loose, rough, free, general, nonliteral, nonspecific, imprecise, vague, indefinite
"a liberal interpretation of divorce laws"
antonyms: strict, to the letter
4.
given, used, or occurring in generous amounts.
"liberal amounts of wine had been consumed"
synonyms: abundant, copious, ample, plentiful, generous, lavish, luxuriant, profuse, considerable, prolific, rich; literaryplenteous
"a liberal coating of paint"
antonyms: scant
(of a person) giving generously.
"Sam was too liberal with the wine"
synonyms: generous, openhanded, unsparing, unstinting, ungrudging, lavish, free, munificent, bountiful, beneficent, benevolent, big-hearted, philanthropic, charitable, altruistic, unselfish; literarybounteous
"they were liberal with their cash"

island911 09-16-2016 08:37 AM

So... Sing it! A <strike>woman</strike> tranny in trouble is a temporary thing....

a, yeah...

Funny how the marks change.

Now, if you can label someone a bully of a protected victim tribe THEN you have free reign to get all up in their b'ness. And all will cheer with platitudes of virtue signaling wonderfulness. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/suppo...ys/a_pukey.gif

Bob Kontak 09-16-2016 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 9283038)
Here, "tranny" doesn't add any information. Using "tranny" does however suggest that there is something legitimate about what was happening.

Finally found the word tranny in the first post. Yep. "this tranny" replaced with "this person" would have been a better choice.

Inferring, by the use of the term, picking on a TG person appears more acceptable than say picking on a nerdy kid makes sense. No way it was consciously intended that way, but I see the argument. Good point out.

Baby steps.

1975porsche 09-16-2016 09:38 AM

Should be proud of that young man . You raised him well .

Joe Bob 09-16-2016 09:50 AM

Bet your son has an easy yes on a date for the prom....;)

Good for him and you backing him up. I remember a guy on my track team in HS that came out as gay. Quite the uproar in 1973.....

island911 09-16-2016 09:54 AM

:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Bob (Post 9283744)
Bet your son has an easy yes on a date for the prom ..

LOL. Just think how proud dad can be then!


er, I mean, not that there's anything wrong with that. :D

Joe Bob 09-16-2016 10:00 AM

But will she drop the prom dress as fast as the fat chick?

recycled sixtie 09-16-2016 10:08 AM

In a more serious vein MD I think that Max has the potential to be a good counselor.
Just don't let him read the comments about proms and sex! Goodness it's hard to grow up in the e world....

island911 09-16-2016 10:08 AM

Ha! (jOE B)

nothing new, on growing up in this world.

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berettafan 09-16-2016 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by creaturecat (Post 9283628)
if it weren't for liberal values, the kid woulda got the **** beat out of him.

lib·er·al
ˈlib(ə)rəl/Submit
adjective
1.
open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
"they have more liberal views toward marriage and divorce than some people"
(in a political context) favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform.
"a liberal democratic state"
synonyms: progressive, advanced, modern, forward-looking, forward-thinking, progressivist, enlightened, reformist, radical
"a liberal social agenda"
of or characteristic of Liberals or a Liberal Party.
adjective: Liberal
(in the UK) of or relating to the Liberal Democrat Party.
adjective: Liberal
"the Liberal leader"
THEOLOGY
regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2.
(of education) concerned mainly with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.
synonyms: wide-ranging, broad-based, general
"a liberal education"
3.
(especially of an interpretation of a law) broadly construed or understood; not strictly literal or exact.
"they could have given the 1968 Act a more liberal interpretation"
synonyms: flexible, broad, loose, rough, free, general, nonliteral, nonspecific, imprecise, vague, indefinite
"a liberal interpretation of divorce laws"
antonyms: strict, to the letter
4.
given, used, or occurring in generous amounts.
"liberal amounts of wine had been consumed"
synonyms: abundant, copious, ample, plentiful, generous, lavish, luxuriant, profuse, considerable, prolific, rich; literaryplenteous
"a liberal coating of paint"
antonyms: scant
(of a person) giving generously.
"Sam was too liberal with the wine"
synonyms: generous, openhanded, unsparing, unstinting, ungrudging, lavish, free, munificent, bountiful, beneficent, benevolent, big-hearted, philanthropic, charitable, altruistic, unselfish; literarybounteous
"they were liberal with their cash"



i got news for you, liberals didn't patent kindness and empathy. Been around loooong before the party of 'if it feels good do it'.

berettafan 09-16-2016 11:12 AM

And lest ye all start throwing stones I'd ask how many of your elementary school aged kids are doing a musical number with a transgender kid at a public music festival this month.

So suck it libs!

M.D. Holloway 09-16-2016 01:21 PM

My Son is very far from liberal. Those of you that have met him will attest to such. Also, he has no problems with the ladies (XX Chromosome style). He just has a short temper with fools which takes maturity I guess...

Baz 09-16-2016 01:55 PM

Hey Mike....thanks for sharing this with us. We are proud of Max and the parents who raised him right.

Carry on.....

DanielDudley 09-16-2016 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baz (Post 9284020)
Hey Mike....thanks for sharing this with us. We are proud of Max and the parents who raised him right.

Carry on.....

Yep.


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