Get a ticket for parking in you own driveway

[Por_sha911]

Londoners fined for parking in their own driveways - Autoblog

It seems that all the confusion stems from the fact that the residents' homes are on one street, but the driveways, which are behind the houses, are on another street. The residents have permits to park on the street their house faces, but not on the street behind their house where their driveways are. Thanks to surprising new parking laws, the short driveways are considered "crossovers" and therefore part of the street. This means that, although the residents technically own their driveways, they cannot park in them legally because they are part of another street.

[island911]

residents technically own part of the street? ...but don't own it?

Sounds like an easement of sorts.

[rwest]

Would have been nice if the article had photos- kind of hard to really figure out if it is crazy bureaucracy, or makes sense.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by rwest

Would have been nice if the article had photos- kind of hard to really figure out if it is crazy bureaucracy, or makes sense.

Seems like the former.

This article has pics.

Drivers fined Ł110 for parking on their own driveways

[RANDY P]

****ing socialism- nanny state.

No thank you.

[crustychief]

I had my 944 covered, in my driveway on my last deployment. The Nazi neighbor called San Diego PD because a tire had gone down on it. They ticketed it. My wife emailed me a photo of the citation, Master Chief saw it so we went and let the Captain know. Two days later two police officers showed up at the house, got the keys, took the tire off, had it repaired, turned the car around and put the cover back on while nosey neighbor watched.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

It's England... That pretty much explains it.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by crustychief

I had my 944 covered, in my driveway on my last deployment. The Nazi neighbor called San Diego PD because a tire had gone down on it. They ticketed it. My wife emailed me a photo of the citation, Master Chief saw it so we went and let the Captain know. Two days later two police officers showed up at the house, got the keys, took the tire off, had it repaired, turned the car around and put the cover back on while nosey neighbor watched.

I LOVE WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER.

Thank you for serving.

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

I LOVE WHEN A PLAN COMES TOGETHER.

Thank you for serving.

Yep. That's how it should work.

[dentist90]

My driveway is 150' long.... I might get a speeding ticket in my own driveway if this bureaucracy continues!

[look 171]

Originally Posted by peteremsley

It's that darned Conservative government they have there.

That place seem to imploding much faster then ours due to the big nannies running the place

[DanielDudley]

The English have always been super literal about enforcing laws, even when it is obvious that no wrong doing is taking place.

Literal Twits. Someone should build a moat...

[sc_rufctr]

Stupid but you could argue they are actually parking on the footpath.

Were they given prior notice before they started getting fined? According the the article... NO.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

I suspect some ding-dong bureaucrat is just trying to mark his territory and justify his own existence by being a power-tripping jackass and finding a new revenue source.

Let's make government bigger - sure! What can possibly go wrong?

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

Stupid but you could argue they are actually parking on the footpath.

Were they given prior notice before they started getting fined? According the the article... NO.

Sounds like an HOA ruling to me. Probably have garages full of useless junk.

[jyl]

Well, suppose you regularly park on the part of the sidewalk that your driveway crosses on the way to the street. You'd eventually get tickets for blocking the sidewalk.

That, essentially, is what is going on here. The grassy verge is public property and intended as a footpath so that pedestrians don't have to walk, wheelchair, push prams (strollers), etc in the street. These folks appear to have garages that open to that verge, and driveways that cross the verge, just as my driveway crosses the sidewalk in front of my house. They also, per the article, have parking on the street that is on the other side of the building. They don't park their cars in those garages, or on that other street; instead they park on the public verge.

To be sure of this, I'd want to see the plot maps, which will show if the grassy verge is public or private property.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by jyl

Well, suppose you regularly park on the part of the sidewalk that your driveway crosses on the way to the street. You'd eventually get tickets for blocking the sidewalk.

That, essentially, is what is going on here. The grassy verge is public property and intended as a footpath so that pedestrians don't have to walk, wheelchair, push prams (strollers), etc in the street. These folks appear to have garages that open to that verge, and driveways that cross the verge, just as my driveway crosses the sidewalk in front of my house. They also, per the article, have parking on the street that is on the other side of the building. They don't park their cars in those garages, or on that other street; instead they park on the public verge.

To be sure of this, I'd want to see the plot maps, which will show if the grassy verge is public or private property.

Essentially, this^^.

And the article with the pictures includes this information:

"Local Grove councillor Phil Doyle said in a statement: ”We have changed our parking enforcement activity in St Leonard's Road [which the resident’s driveways border on to] following complaints by residents.

“Grass verges are part of the highway so parking on them is not permitted. Parking restrictions also apply to the crossovers along St Leonards Road and fixed penalty notices were recently issued to some local residents.

“The council will cancel notices issued on the built crossovers and hopes that residents in the area will work with us to improve the situation for everyone for the future.”

It's not clear if notices of the changes were made to the violators. It is also not clear if that change was to now make it a violation to park on the crossover or to simply enforce the existing regulation that it was a violation to park on the crossover. If it's the former, notification should have been given. If it was the latter, which it appears to be since the statement uses the words "parking enforcement activity," the violators should have been aware of the law after the first ticket and complied. What is clear is that the tickets will, apparently, be cancelled.

[jyl]

It seems that these folks, with the help of some sloppy clickbait reporting, have essentially managed to annex, for free, a bit of public property into their GBP 700,000 house properties. Sweet deal!

[GWN7]

I see no sidewalk or any indication that there is one. In fact from the above picture it shows one properties hedge growing right to the edge of the road. A survey will show if they own the property they are parking on. If they do, they are parking at the rear of their property. The fact that their "back lane" is someone else's front street is a problem that happened long before most owners were born.

We have a street here that is exactly the same. Surveyor's screwed up back at the turn of the century.

[ossiblue]

Originally Posted by GWN7

I see no sidewalk or any indication that there is one. In fact from the above picture it shows one properties hedge growing right to the edge of the road. A survey will show if they own the property they are parking on. If they do, they are parking at the rear of their property. The fact that their "back lane" is someone else's front street is a problem that happened long before most owners were born.

We have a street here that is exactly the same. Surveyor's screwed up back at the turn of the century.

Existence of a sidewalk is irrelevant. Jyl's comment is essentially correct if you read the article which says, “Grass verges are part of the highway so parking on them is not permitted. Parking restrictions also apply to the crossovers along St Leonards Road and fixed penalty notices were recently issued to some local residents."

There were no survey mistakes. The back lane right of way extends onto the the area where their driveways are, comparable to our sidewalk easements which are also inconsistently enforced for parking violations.