Yawn - Another Pit Bull Thread

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Pit bulls aren't dangerous. They are just misunderstood.
Massachusetts boy, 7, mauled by pit bulls, cops say | Fox News

I wish we had as much tolerance for owning firearms as we do for these dogs.

From your linked story:

a preliminary investigation suggests the boy was attacked in Lowell around 6 p.m. after entering a fenced area where the dogs were located.

Why would the parents allow their 7 year old to go into a fenced area occupied with pit bulls?

[Jeff Higgins]

Funny how the headline and the link both say "mauled". One has to read the story to see that this child was actually "killed" - not just "mauled". I wonder why they would do that.

Baz, who says the parents "allowed" this child to enter the area with the pit bulls? Curious, playful seven year olds often will not ask permission, or even tell their parents they did it.

There should be no animals in any neighborhood that are so dangerous, that if a seven year old inadvertently enters their domain, or otherwise stumbles across them, that his life would be in danger.

[berettafan]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Funny how the headline and the link both say "mauled". One has to read the story to see that this child was actually "killed" - not just "mauled". I wonder why they would do that.

Baz, who says the parents "allowed" this child to enter the area with the pit bulls? Curious, playful seven year olds often will not ask permission, or even tell their parents they did it.

There should be no animals in any neighborhood that are so dangerous, that if a seven year old inadvertently enters their domain, or otherwise stumbles across them, that his life would be in danger.

Absolutely.

I get ill when I hear that ad where some actor says ‘pit bulls don’t know they are discriminated against’. I wonder if they know they’ve become the dog of choice for hood rats.


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[KFC911]

I'll add this who maintain that it's not the dawgs, but how the owner's raise them.....

BS ....at least for the one's I've been around.

I'm a dog lover, have "the gift" when it come to training them, and have been around some so called aggressive breeds a fair amount in my life....Dobermans, GSD police dogs, Chows , etc. but I've learned something over the past ten years from a good friend's experience.

SOME Pitt Bull's are simply ticking time bombs...the aggressive, fighting, instinct, is bred into them. I've absolutely loved a few that have been put down...sweet as can be towards me, their owners (raised from 7 weeks...no history), etc. but can absolutely GO OFF, with no warning, towards other members of the pack, and there is no quit. I've got the scars on my arm to prove it....unintentional from breaking up several fights. My last was last summer...if you've never experienced it....I hope you never do....

My LEO tennant would dispatch the dawg in question with 00 buckshot without hesitation if confronted aggressively...and has several times.

I almost retrieved my 9mm from my truck last summer after attempting to break up a bloody, back yard fight...young PB mix going after the twice his size 8 yr old alpha male of the pack (bird doggish mix - no PB in him)....no warning....it was ON....probably lasted 30 minutes total as I was in middle of it pleading, pulling them apart successfully, then the two year old attacked again and again....words can't describe how helpless I felt. Neither were aggressive to me....been around both since weeks old. Finally spotted a garden hose, hooked it up and drove him away....he kept coming though...no quit, but a full blast of water in his mouth/face the whole time and I wa able to get the big dog inside. The alpha would have killed the PB if I hadn't been there...

So....it's like this for me....I'm not asking permission to kill a coyote in my back yard....or any other over-the-top aggressive critter either.
Consequences be damned...

After a few years of aggressive PB behavior, my friend did what he knew had to be done....
I loved the dawgs....as did he and his wife, but it was what it was...ticking time bombs

Sweetest dawgs in the world...until they "snapped".... I've learned the hard way...

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Baz

From your linked story:
Why would the parents allow their 7 year old to go into a fenced area occupied with pit bulls?

Probably because the parents taught the children that Pit Bulls are wonderful animals that are just misunderstood.

[Baz]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Probably because the parents taught the children that Pit Bulls are wonderful animals that are just misunderstood.

Without more details, it's all speculation how it happened.

Just like when a child is left in a vehicle and dies from the heat.

Children are curious and playful, like Jeff said.

Parents can't always be blamed when a child is injured or dies.

Not the fault of the vehicle...or the dog....they are just being what they are.

We all know that managing children and dogs (who are just being who they are) require a lot of management, and many adults don't have the time, patience, or intelligence.

[ckelly78z]

I have many FB friends that constantly post how misunderstood the PB is, and show their small children hugging them, and other such non-sense. I fully agree that PBs can be sweet, and a good family dog, but god forbid the day that someone shows up unannounced, or makes an unexpected move around the family that the pitt deems aggresive. Only a bullet will stop that dog in that situation.

This reminds me of my parents neigbor who tried to take away a cookie that his grand daughter had taken without asking. When the little girl threw a tantrum, the pittbull intervened, and wouldn't let go of her until the police shot it....after the neigbor, and others had used baseball bats, and crowbars on the dog to no avail.

[Jeff Higgins]

Baz, I hate to say it, because you are one hell of a nice guy, but - your attitude is both dangerous and irresponsible. It is based on an unrealistic, inaccurate assessment of these animals. Way too much "Walt Disney" and far too little real world. These animals have been very carefully, very expertly bred for an awfully long time to serve one purpose and one purpose only. They will never escape their breeding, no matter how much love and attention a "good" owner showers upon them. As KC911 says, each and every one of these animals is a ticking time bomb.

[Crowbob]

Well said, Jeff.

It's not the dogs fault it's a ticking time bomb. It's the owners' faults for owning them.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

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It's not the dogs fault it's a ticking time bomb. It's the owners' faults for owning them.

My friends' teen son brought the original PB female into their lives and pack of three at about 7-8 weeks old.... can't remember how, but he rescued it. Their mistake was not getting her fixed...twice . They are GOOD people with dawgs all their lives....just had NO idea....me neither . I thought I had total control over the pack...and did...until that day I did not. Playing tennis balls while my friends were out of town....stopped to light a grill.....BOOM....thirty minutes of pure hell ensued. I learned....(oh yeah, by that time the original PB and several mixed offspring had already been put down...much to my friends' dismay...). It just sucks, but it just is....

[DanielDudley]

Originally Posted by Baz

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Not the fault of the vehicle...or the dog....they are just being what they are.

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And I think that is the point that some are trying to make here.

[Tobra]

Amazing how irrational people are about some subjects.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Amazing how irrational people are about some subjects.

Toby, as I recall you have a real sweetie pie
Note that I never, ever, said ALL PBs...I said "some"... still believe that. That said....I'm not irrational at all on this....I've lived it...both sides.
Over aggresiveness can be found in almost any breed for some individual dawgs....they should be dealt with imo.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Tobra

Amazing how irrational people are about some subjects.

True dat...

It is amazing how irrational the defenders of this breed can be, ignoring their breeding, established history, and unending incidents all too similar to that described here. They are simply in denial.

Rational people understand what these animals are bred to do and just how effective purpose breeding is. Rational people see the parade of unfortunate people getting mauled and killed by these dogs and make the connection back to their bred-in intent, and arrive at rational conclusions concerning these breeds. They are dangerous and unpredictable. They have no place in society, particularly around unsuspecting potential victims. Too many of whom have been small children.

[DanielDudley]

This is a perennial standoff thread. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree.

At the end of the day, we have our say and move on.

This is a perennial standoff thread. It's not a problem.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by DanielDudley

This is a perennial standoff thread. It's not a problem.

Can the same be said for gun control versus 2nd amendment advocates? Just a friendly disagreement. Not a problem?

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Can the same be said for gun control versus 2nd amendment advocates? Just a friendly disagreement. Not a problem?

In both cases we see one side whose argument is based upon verifiable facts and data vs. another side whose position is based upon pure emotion. It is interesting to see, in many cases, a crossover between the two. Some who would support the Second Amendment based upon facts and data will often support pit bull ownership, ignoring the pertinent facts and data regarding the breed. It's interesting what "cute, cuddly" animals will do to one's perceptions.

[Baz]

What's the difference between a dog and a monster?

A human, because they are the ones who turn dogs into monsters.

Dogs are born as dogs....not monsters.

The problem is not the dog.

It's the human and the monsters they create.

Sadly...they also turn humans into monsters...not just dogs.

If you want to attack the problem....go after the humans who create the monsters.

[berettafan]

That dog was not born with the same genetic predispositions as other breeds more suited to human companionship.

Humans may have ruined pit bulls but they did it over many generations. Your argument Baz unfortunately loses strength when dogs owned by nice families turn on humans.

'But look he can be cute' is not a valid reason for exposing children to an animal with generations of 'kill' bred into it.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by Baz

What's the difference between a dog and a monster?

A human, because they are the ones who turn dogs into monsters.

We do this in two distinctly different ways. The one to which you refer is maltreatment. The one you refuse to acknowledge is breeding.

Originally Posted by Baz

Dogs are born as dogs....not monsters.

The problem is not the dog.

These dogs are, unfortunately, bred to be and are born as monsters. These dogs cannot help themselves. They cannot overcome their breeding.

Originally Posted by Baz

It's the human and the monsters they create.

Sadly...they also turn humans into monsters...not just dogs.

If you want to attack the problem....go after the humans who create the monsters.

We need to deal with the people who obtain these breeds as a tough guy status symbol and then work to bring their in-bred aggressions to the fore. That is only one aspect of the problem.

The other aspect we need to deal with is the breed itself. They have been bred for hundreds (thousands?) of years to bring out their aggressive qualities. Their breeding has been, by all indications, quite successful.

Why folks like you refuse to acknowledge the fact that these breeds have been developed specifically for their aggressiveness is beyond me. It's beyond reason. You are in denial, and your denial is both dangerous and irresponsible.