I love animals as much as anyone but don't believe in pits as household pets. You can't have a lion as a house cat, so why a pit? Yeah other dogs can bite but they don't crush your bones in the process. The statistics on the breed speak for themselves.

With that said, I don't think hunting a loose pit in the suburbs with a suppressed AR-15 is the answer. Where I live that would get you arrested and showcased on the evening news. Unless it attacks or threatens, hounding the police daily to make them take action is kind of the only legal recourse.

So clearly it should be illegal to own a pit bull type dog and they should all be destroyed.

What other breeds should receive the same treatment?

Thousands of years, really?

Yes.

PB's need not inhabit this earth.

I had a Doberman from a pup. He apparently thought he was Beta. When I wasn't around he could not be contained. On the second to last day of his life, my wife answered the door and the dog attacked. No serious injuries as he was tethered to the hallway inside the door through which the visitor entered ignoring my wife's order not to enter.

I'm sure he was just protecting his 'family' as they are bred to do. PB's are bred to kill.

as long as were out culling the hood..
let's get rid of the 2 legged pits first..
upside..
these are the folks that give the pits their reputation..

Rika

Times eleventy billion...

I disagree with Jeff in ONLY one aspect of his assessment...I don't stereotype and say ALL pit bulls...but a large percentage have the aggressive streak from generations of selectively breeding the ones that show it....over and over. Then you get what we have...a problem :(. To deny this is utter stupidity imo....and flat out dangerous to think it's the current "aggressive dog's" owner....I KNOW better. Any animal that "turns on me" will be dealt with humanely....no matter the breed....I'll hold them in my arms and shed some tears as I have them put down....but I will....

Problem with Pit Bulls now....you simply don't know what you're taking home at 8 weeks old...

Baz...your compassion and love of dogs is well known here....but you are not alone my friend. Jeff loves them, I love them, and rest assured my friend that has put several down (one pure, and several offspring) loves them too. It's heartbreaking....but it is so. SOME simply can't be trusted in society...and if one doesn't have what it takes to do the right thing, then please don't ever get a PB.

My best friends growing up had a couple of Chows (similar imo)...their parents were deaf, so it was OK in my mind....protected their turf with a vengence....for years. Until one day a 7 year old turned on the dad who fed him daily....messed him up pretty bad :(. Dog was put down...

But no one is gonna change their mind via Internet posts....experience what my friends and I have a few times, and you just might however. And believe me, we know dawgs :)

I'm outta this thread....rationally.

those are the folks that accent the reputation and enjoy it. but the breeds rep was earned regardless of hood rats.

true....

just spent 2 weeks with some Cane Presas..
found it's difficult to kick them of the bed..
as my foot easily fits in their mouth..
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would have taken both in a minute..

Right on, Rika!

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Baz - I echo Jeff on this topic. Being a land surveyor I run into dogs all the time and nothing, nothing strikes fear in me like when I encounter a Pit Bull.

The kid that worked for me was like you, preaching the misunderstood breed gospel since he owned 3 of them with his mom.

Yet, the moment we encountered one in the field, he was the first into the truck.

For every cute video you post, I can post 10 of a pit unprovoked killing and tearing apart a family pet.

Live Leak is full of them and I started to compile some a couple of hours ago, got sick to my stomach looking at them and decided it be best not to share.

No amount of video's of the cute ones will ever change my opinion of them. Even that little girl in the kitchen with them. All I see is a ticking time bomb.


You come across on here a super chill and awesome dude, so my disagreement is in no means posted in an effort to offend you.

Just like my co-worker, I disagreed with him on the subject, I cannot understand how anyone would want such a dangerous animal in their house.

We lost our Choc Lab about 3 years ago. About a year ago we decided to go get a rescue dog. We had one that was psycho and had to give it back, it was a small dog and really sweet but there was something wrong with it and it would trigger and attack but myself and my 12 year old son.

It was gone as soon as it went for my son, if there was no kid in the house we may have tried to rehab it, but there was no way we were taking a chance.

We now have the sweetest rescue ever and if I had to witness a loose pit get hold of it, I would lose my mind. Seeing those Live Leak pit videos broke my heart, I cannot fathom being a dog owner and having to fight a pit off my dog.

I pray I never have to.

Not sure why you are saying all that to me, Jim. I agree....humans need to do more to help reduce Pit Bull attacks, etc.

I mean, it's not like a dog can read this forum (or a book, etc.) and take action. It's the responsibility of humans.

I espouse training and education all the time. That's why I posted the Ceasar Milan videos. I wish ALL Pit Bull owners would be responsible, but sadly, they are not.

If it were up to me, any human found responsible for a Pit Bull attack would get a year in jail....and never be allowed to own any dog again...ever....and that would be mandatory.

Second offense would be 5 years in prison. If a death is involved - mandatory 15 years to life.

Now why isn't this already a law on the books? It sure isn't the dog's fault.

The human species is not only stupid but it is irresponsible. History has shown us that.

Don't blame me....I'm just the messenger......SmileWavy

Baz, what about my friends' situation? Experienced dawg lovers all their lives....all they did wrong was take in a 7 week old puppy....sweetest thing I've been around...until she wasn't :(. I used to think like you (and many do)....it's how they were raised....I found out I was wrong. The aggressiveness (towards other dogs in particular) is due to generations of breeding...it just is. I truly hope no one has to experience what I have first hand...YMMV.

like you suggestions Baz..
but let's not wait till an attack occurs..
I would add..
if you need / want to own one of those breeds..
it must be chipped, registered & you must maintain some big $$ insurance..
that would cut down the wannabees fast..
failure to do so would send the dog to the pound for adoption or death..
and you to the clink for 6 months..( no exceptions)

Rika

I like your suggestions, Rika.

Keith......see Rika's post.....those humans responsible should pay the price. Eventually it will reduce incidents, in theory.

Nothing can happen in an instant. The start would be enacting stronger legislation.

Of course, politicians make their #1 priority to get re-elected so there's that. That's why cell phone use by drivers is still legal here in Florida.

How do you get legislation passed...that's the question.

Baz, that dog abuse video in the elevator was sickening. I made it through 22 seconds and could not watch further.

+1 on Rika suggestions.

I don't know your friends, but here's one possibility. Most dog owners think they know a fair amount about dogs. I thought I did too, until I read a few books about how they think.

I'm not talking about the books that you get at the pet store, they are too simplistic to be of any value. There are books out there that go into a greater amount of detail and the more you learn about dogs, the more you realize you didn't know anything at all and most of what you did think you knew was close to 100% wrong.

Fortunately, most dogs are fairly tolerant of our ignorance and most owners are fortunate that the things they do wrong never come back to bite them (pun intended.)

I've been semi retired for about nine years and have spent all of that time at home, every day, interacting with my dogs in a way that I never did before. I am now acutely aware of what they are thinking, their energy levels, and I am far more consistent in interacting with them in the way they understand. I spend more time than you would think managing their daily activities. I have no problems, because I am on top of what they are doing and thinking at all times. I would not let them get to a point where they were a danger to each other, or to others.

There's no question that certain dogs require more of an owner than others. It's a shame that most people are not qualified to own such a dog. Nothing I can do about that, but hopefully people will become better educated, make better choices and realize they have some learning to do.

Let me start with my neighbor has a PB that doesn't scare me in the least, however she has been very well socialized. My neighbors are very social and have BBQ, Watch sports together, etc and everyone brings their dogs with no problems.

I have owned dogs and cats but I enjoy the low maintenance of cats.

I find Mountain Lions beautiful, we went to the San Diego zoo and a Snow leopard laid down right up against the front of the cage, one of the most beautiful animals on earth. Would I want one in my house? Nuh uh... no way... I don't understand why people want a pet that can kill them.

Nice in theory, but you can't get blood out of a rock. You get a rock like the one in the last link that Mr Higgins posted, that story does not support his position very well BTW, best you could do is lock them up.

They let anyone have a dog or a kid, both are big responsibilities and can grow up to be killers. You can't compel people to act responsibly.

being kind hearted at the expense of others safety just isn't being kind hearted. it's being selfish.

sorry but thats how I feel on the matter. I mean no offense to Baz on this and certainly still like the guy but my opinion is that this breed has no business existing around children or the elderly for that matter and as we can't control who might knock on our door or walk past our yard the breed has no business existing.