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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9419509)

My sister once owned a yellow lab that was the offspring of some big-cheese, national grand champion. He was a good looking dog, and fairly large, but his biggest accomplishment in life was dunking his head and blowing bubbles in every toilet he came across.

:D

JR

So, using your own line of "reasoning", he must have learned that from your sister. :D

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Originally Posted by Spud (Post 9419621)

That lab looks exactly like my girl, expressive brow and all. Seen that look lots of times, there is nothing threatening or scary about that. The vet that put the staple in her face last week even commented that she would normally have to sedate a dog to do what she needed to do, but my girl just let her do it.

That look says "I trust you not to let the little one hurt me"

An expressive brow is a human characteristic. If we view the dog like we would a human, we might come away with the dog thinking something like "Are you kidding me?" But, that's a mistake. Dogs don't think like we do.

Actually, the dog is not particularly happy. It's leaning away from the kid, turning it's head away from the kid and looking away from the kid. It's eyes are slightly more open than normal. All of these are signs of stress. There are a half dozen other cues it might be sending that can't be picked out from a still photo but could be observed in person or from a video. Small changes to mouth or ear position, whisker or fur movements, etc.

The lip thing is also confusing the dog. Dogs live in packs and there is a hierarchy in the pack that is inevitable and expected by all the dogs in the pack. The alpha dog will reinforce the pecking order all through the day, starting first thing in the morning. One way of doing this is by lightly nipping the other dogs on the lip, more or less where this kid is grabbing it. Although I don't generally involve myself with my dogs in this manner, I can give this same message to my alpha dog by lightly grabbing his lip like that. What it means to him is that I'm number 1 and he is number 2. This kid is probably not viewed as superior to this dog, so he does not understand why he's getting nipped on the lip. Dogs like order in their world; this is not what the dog expects. When a dog is presented with something that is out of order with their view of the universe, they don't like it.

I would never put a kid that small next to a dog that large. The photo op isn't worth it, not that this looks like a dangerous dog. But he's clearly showing is less than happy with the kid being next to him. And, dogs often act more aggressively around kids. This is partly to do with their smaller size and partly to do with how dog-kid interactions tend to go. Kids tend to make noises that interest dogs more than adults, they move in a way that attracts the dog's attention, they tend to stare at dogs which is considered a challenge to a dog, etc. Dogs remember...

JR

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Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 9419641)

So, using your own line of "reasoning", he must have learned that from your sister. :D

Nah, probably her husband. He was on the US national rugby team...

JR

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9419604)

Watch that video and in the last 20 seconds take note that the dog is not happy with the contact with the kid and is trying to disengage. Towards the end, it shows several signs of stress. Granted, it's a pretty mellow dog, but the parents should be a lot more careful with their kid.

JR

its not good parenting for the human or canine, but I don't think the girl was in any danger at any point

is this what all the kida are talking about "fake news" these days

21 Best Dog Breeds To Get Along With Kids | Dog Reference

No it's from someone that makes a living from dogs. Not a fan of his methods, but he does make a living from it.

As opposed to the experts on here - most of whom can't tell one kind of dog from another.

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 9419585)

Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 31, 2014
Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7

By compiling U.S. and Canadian press accounts between 1982 and 2014, Merritt Clifton, editor of Animals 24-7, shows the dog breeds most responsible for disfiguring injuries and deaths.1

Study highlights
The combination of molosser breeds, including pit bulls, rottweilers, presa canarios, cane corsos, mastiffs, dogo argentinos, fila brasieros, sharpeis, boxers, and their mixes, inflict:
86% of attacks that induce bodily harm
81% of attacks to children
89% of attack to adults
76% of attacks that result in fatalities
86% that result in maiming
Embody 9.2%+ of the total dog population
Discussion notes:
Even if the pit bull category was "split four ways," attacks by pit bulls and their closest relatives would still outnumber attacks by any other dog breed.
Pit bulls are noteworthy for attacking adults almost as frequently as children. This is a very rare pattern, only seen elsewhere in the bullmastiff/presa canario line.
If a pit bull or rottweiler has a bad moment, instead of a person being bitten, often a person is maimed for life or killed. This has created off-the-chart actuarial risk.

1982-2014 chart

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Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 31, 2014, by Merritt Clifton, Animals 24-7, December 31, 2014.

Dog Attack Deaths and Maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 31, 2014 - By Merritt Clifton - DogsBite.org

For real?
"Dog bites that made the news" now is used as the basis of a study that you extend to all dogs.

Try this - from the liberal bible - for a counter argument. One that mentions -real- actuarial risk.

The Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics Behind Dog Bites | The Huffington Post

Its always hard to know what to make of statistics without precise context and carfull consideration. However its ironic the Huffington Post Would defend their position of flawed statistics by making a bunch of specious arguments based on statistics.

Of course more people die from choking on food than a dog bite. The exposure to such risk (eating) is many orders of magnitude greater since you know everybody eats, often. Not everybody plays with pitbulls 3 times per day. If they did the "statistics" might favor the hot dog.

Its hard to know if pittbulls should be considered "dangerous" in general terms. I searched a few days ago when this thread came out and you can find arguments both ways

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9419647)

...I would never put a kid that small next to a dog that large. The photo op isn't worth it, not that this looks like a dangerous dog. JR

You're missing the forest for the trees JR. I would never own a dog that I was the LEAST bit concerned about the things you seem to have to worry about owning a pit bull. As soon as you start throwing up caveats like "He's a great dog around the family, but eats strangers..", or "He's a great dog, just don't piss him off (or put a sweater on him)", then you've lost me.

All of the labs I have had over the years were exactly like the dog pictured. Would let any child handle them, and they knew their place in the pack, and it was not 2nd in command. If they were unhappy with the treatment they were getting from a small child, they would get up and move closer to me, not strike out at the kid.

I have no use for an animal in my house that is not a friendly companion to all.

Labradors and other "tame family dogs" have killed small children. Not often, but it happens. When I raised my two kids, we had no large dogs until the kids were older.

You can raise your kids however you see fit.

JR

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 9419509)

O.k., so all kidding aside, what is the point that you hoped to make with this? Shirley, you did not somehow expect said champion blood line dog to find his own way to fame and fortune in the field trial game. All I'm seeing is someone who bought way more dog than they ever intended to train and use, thereby squandering their money and his potential. Put in the proper hands, this dog probably would have blossomed. Just because your sister did not fully utilize his potential in no way indicates that potential was not there.

Lighten up, Francis. I was injecting a little humor into a downer of a thread. Try not to get thy panties in a wad.

JR

I'm just glad my 5lb Pom(Porsche) isn't 50 lbs.... She's an alpha. mean

In other words, our staunch advocate of environment is everything and breeding is vastly overstated has run out of answers.

She's a red -head so that might explain it...

Some dogs bite faster and harder than others, just like some cars are heavier, go faster and brake worse than others.
Some people should not have pit bulls, some people should not drive fast cars, some people should not drive at all.
If you own cars, dogs or guns, be careful.
If you don't any of the above three, be careful, some idiot next door might have one.

Why did they go to the trouble of picking up after the dog, carrying it to the trash can, but did not lift the lid and put it in the can?

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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 9432621)

more than occasionally, people earn the bite.

Florida Man Accused Of Repeatedly Sexually Assaulting Pit Bull | The Huffington Post

I guess it proves pits can also be lovers????