I like the weight.

I also drive a Geo (4 cy), my wife had the 3 cy Metro for many years. No way in a Porsche, at least for me. A hovercraft or Ultralight it's fine.

In the end, it's your car do with it what you want. For myself if I wanted a V8 I'd pick up a 928. To each his own.

EDIT: Who keeps bringing up these old posts?

April 2000?

WTF?

All this V8 bashing... you guys are so narrow minded.

Why not a V12 or a Dodge V10 into 911? :D :p :D :p

to paraphrase an old alka seltzer commercial,
"i can't believe i read the whole thing."
it seems like five years of intolerance just flew by in about three hours 'til now it seems like most people are more willing to accept the idea.
i know that i like it, and that and three bucks will get you a cup of mud at starbunk. plus tax. maybe the haters have shuffled off the coil in the last few years.

Oddball swaps
 

I am giving very serious thought to shoe-horning this Lenco ST3500 dynamo into my V8 Porsche once the small block expires. Only foreseeable issue is the consideration of if there will be enough room left for the driver. EPS928 - Indianapolishttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165160895.jpg

I bought a Porsche 911 for 2 reasons, the unique timeless body style and the sound of flat six, especially at full sing.

I bought an RX-7 for 2 reasons, the neat 2 seater body style 80's sportscar look and the Rotary engine.

Yet, both of these unique cars are victims of hot rodders and their, "I think I can get a V-8 in that" mentality.

Bottom line is, its your car do what you like, but I do not have to like it.

I bought my sports cars for particular reasons, if I wanted a Corvette I would have bought one.

simple!
 

495 hp in 71 coupe!!! http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165164761.jpg

He used a carburetor on this car, what was he thinking?

Nobody uses a carb on a high performance engine these days, except as homage to antique Porrsche's. (Sorry, Ron. :D )

Jim Cesiro
 

Curious to note that not once did you bother to mention"Performance, driving inspiration, cornering, acceleration" or any words relating to the machine irtself. Just the girly-boy consideration of looks and sound. Sure you are not a Paris Hilton wanna-be? If you ever have the chance put some brute HP and torque between your legs, so to speak, and quit whining. EPS938 - Indianapolois, http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165165987.jpg

Re: Jim Cesiro
 

You mean like this?

http://thumbs.vidiac.com/9d2e3734-f9...733cf89905.jpgClick here to see Video

I am a track whore so performance is a must.

Paris Hilton out!!

It kind of goes without saying, I am pretty sure I can out brake and out corner you and if your car runs low 11 or high 10 second 1/4 mile times then we would have a good race. I outrun Radicals on straights on the track and plain out outrun 430's all around.

Such a slow car I have and it doesnt have a LS1... amazing!!

Nice vid bro.

Do any of these racetracks let you run on the complete oval, or do they break em all up with the road courses?

Ok I have been watching and reading and feel the need to jump in. WHat is with all the sniping to put it mildly? Iget this on a Benz site as well. WHile I am a big flat six fan, I can see a place for a V8. I will be damned if I will spend $10k for a new engine for my 74 911. RIght now it is totally trick with GE 60 cams and major headwork etc, however with over 100k miles on it I am afraid to dyno it for fear it blows. WHen it does go I will probably just sell it as a roller. Others prefer to install a V8 for half the cost of a six. ANd they get a Supercar of sorts. I guess there are purists and hot rodders---but why can't we all just get along?

Anyone ever stuff a Buick Nailhead in a 911? The seasick-green factory paint would look b!tchin' in a 911 engine bay.

Just funnin'. My father has a '31 Ford 5-window with a Nailhead in it. Nobody gives him a hard time about his "abortion" or "bastard". Instead he just wins show trophies.

In the 60's, the "neat" thing to do to a 356 was to install a Chevrolet Corvair 6 cyl engine.

Swap the ring and pinion or install a reverse cam and wow, what a ride.

Everything goes full circle

Aw shucks...
 

Aw shucks, lets just enjoy our rides before the Feds really screw things up in their misguided efforts to save the Spotted Dick Fly or some such damn-fool soon-to-be extinct critter. Jim - I'm sure you have a swell machine - but - you are the one who sniveled about the fact that if you wanted a Corvette you would have bought one. Well, same goes for me. I wanted lots of HP in my 930 - for a reasonable price however - not a Corvette. The car does not know which engine is in it - just ask a Sauber or Williams or Sprint car or Yugo for that matter. My V8 is approximately 60lbs lighter than my last factory 930 engine assembly. The HP is more, the cost is considerably less and the performance quite exhilarating. Brakes still work as before, coil-overs still coil-over as before, Weltmeister still weltmeisters as before and the look is still as before. Don't quite understand your whining.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165172510.jpg

Re: Aw shucks...
 

Damn good post...i'm with you. It seems that Porsche-files believe you lose your porsche's soul by putting anything else in it.

Think more of it as you're just adding go power than losing it's soul.

Also, the fact that a Nissan Maxima has more power than my 964 upsets me a bit...only until i drive it and have every head turn when i stomp on itSmileWavy

Paris...

The 356 guys whine about EVERYTHING. I put a 2.2 PORSCHE six in a 356 and still got crap......

Anyone ever grafted a 928 motor into a 911?

That's one V-8 swap everyone could embrace. :)

No...but there are a few 928/914 conversions running around....

If by "everyone" you mean "no one," I'd have to agree. :cool:

Not sure why you'd say that...i love my 928S just fine (so did Tom Cruise and Al Pacino, hehehe), and have laid a good whooping on more than a few 911's with it over the years.

Of course if you are inherently pre-disposed to not liking rock solid all alloy OHC fuel injected V-8s that will easily give 200k of service before it needs to be rebuilt, i can see your line of thinking....i know how some of you guys are married to the concept of tail heavy, air cooled, highly evolved volkswagen beetles. :)

Make mine an eight with 50/50 weight distribution please...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...7Stage41RT.jpg

I like the 928 too. And a 928 engine is great in a 928, uber-cool replacing an 80 hp VW engine in a 914 (gawd, I'd love to have an S4 powered 914!!), but why in a 911?

All that work, plumbing, weight, cutting, etc. etc. etc. to get what, 300 costly hp?

All the work of the Chebby, but none of the benefit (i.e. a cheap 400-500 hp). Just throw a stock 300 hp 911 Turbo engine in for less money.

What I'd also love to have is a big HP Chevy V8 928!

How much HP is your colorful engine putting out? If I had that car, I'd yank that and put in a 500-600 HP SBC.

Vrrroooom!

Why put in a SBC into a 928 when a big block fits in there so nice???

Supercharged 928 motors regularly put out 450+ RWHP.

I mean if you gotta have an 8 in a 911, why not a Porsche 8?

That's how i'd do it.(not that i would)

About 325rwhp at 2900lbs. Mid 13 second quarter miles- naturally aspirated.

And you're not going to get a 7000rpm American V-8 that'll actually last for any kind of reasonable money, let alone one that sounds like this. Video:

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The initial acceleration in that vid is a 5mph to 70mph run in an elapsed video counter time of under six seconds. Now put that motor in a 2500lb 911. Then supercharge it.....vrroooooom.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b343/m21sniper/4.jpg
4.7 liter 'alusil' OHC fuel injected V-8. Note factory stock main/head studs and full main girdle.

PS, i bought my 928 for less than the price of a bone stock LS-1 crate motor(and have been driving it for 4 years and 31k miles so far). :)

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You're damned right there's no substitute!!! :D

For the record, do not misconstrue my remarks as anti-911. I love em. I just like my 928 even better. Now if only i had an extra $5500 for the turbo kit... :)

If it's true that putting together a 400-500 hp 928 V8 costs the same or less than a 400-500 hp SBC V8 and will even last longer, then I'd agree, someone should develop a kit to put these engines into everything like the SBC is put into everything (914, 911, 944, Jaguars, etc.)

Bare block no internals weight is 130 lbs. Now, I guess the crank, connecting rods, pistons, heads, intake, headers, and various little other parts including the water pump, altenator, flywheel and on and on only weigh another 270 lbs?

And somehow this engine is even lighter than my 1.3 liter Rotary engine. No matter what forum I am on there is always a guy with an LS1 that swears his engine is lighter than anything you have.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1165860875.jpg

The problem is that there are so few 928 V-8 motors around. It was a very low volume car. I think world wide sales only topped 2000 units a couple times during it's entire 18 year production run. The 928 was the flagship of the Porsche line, so it was intended to be highly exclusive and low volume. I rarely see another 928 on the road (probably less than a dozen in the 4 years i've had the car). Also, buying 928 motors is not cheap. What IS cheap is buying older model 928s with perfectly good running motors in them(esp. old neglected junkers).

To just go buy a 928 motor at the dealer(i can any factory Porsche motor at wholesale for anyone interested) would cost you about $8 grand. Used they're about $3500. However, a smacked up 84 Euro with a 310hp 4.7 liter mechanical injected V-8 will only set you back about 3 grand for the whole car, and after you get done parting it out, the motor will end up having cost you virtually nothing.(while 928s have not held their value in general, the parts very much have, lol)

There are also a wide variety of motors that were used.

The US 928's started with the 219hp US 4.5 liter in the 78-82 models, and gradually increased in displacement and power to the 345hp 5.4liter motor in the last GTS models. All have their plusses and minuses, but even the early mechanical injection 4.5 models will approach 400rwhp with a supercharger running a mere 6lbs of boost.

The motors are also fully strokable too, and HUGE power gains are available going that route. The top 928 racer is running a naturally aspirated 6.4 liter stroker and is putting out close to 600rwhp naturally aspirated. Of course stroking a 928 motor is BIG money, but the results are worth it if you have the extra coin laying around.

But, say you bought an 83 US 5spd for $4000 USD in 'fair' shape(which you could do if you perused ebay for a while looking for the right car). For the additional cost of $3500 USD you can add the stage II complete supercharger kit (or for $5500 the turbo kit), approach 500rwhp, and for under 8 grand you have a V-8 PORSCHE powered, and highly exclusive supercar that will easily top 190mph, run will into the 12 second 1/4 mile ET range, and generally outperform cars costing more than 10x it's value....including in the curves (esp. if the 928 has the factory Bilstien/Eibach/limited slip options, like mine).

The 928 is IMHO the greatest bang for the buck on the roads today. Thank god the porshe-phile purists didn't 'take' to them....cause by rights the cars should be worth 4-6x what they are, based on actual merit and quality.

Go figure...

Is just throwing a supercharger or turbochargers on a bone stock 150,000 mile engine a good idea?

If you check out the exploded view above, the 928 motor is built with what- on any mere mortal engine- would normally be a 'race only' full main stud girdle(as well as head and main studs), and uses an "Alusil"(aluminum silicone) alloy block so hard that it doesn't even require steel cylinder liners!

There are a lot of guys with supercharged hi-mile 928 motors on the 928 sites, especially rennlist. One of them that's running a supercharger has 180k miles on his i think.

To give an idea of the strength of these motors, i missed a shift a couple months ago, and watched the tach on mine wind past 9k RPMs(and nothing broke!)......talk about a pucker moment!

The motor is everything you'd expect from a Porsche V-8 flagship engine, and then some. When i got out of the service i used my GI bill money to get a trade school auto tech education, and worked in the field for close to a decade. Having worked on all manner of hot-rods and cars, i have never seen an engine as well put together as that of the 928 in any other car in all my days.

It is an engineering marvel, and a true masterpiece of design....IMO, of course.

The one drawback to the 928 engine is it's weight. It is a very heavy engine(esp. for an alloy one), but that is due to it's overly-robust construction.

LS series GM motors are also great motors(and known for their fantastic light weight), but to maintain the true "Porsche character" of a car, a 928 V-8 is IMO the way to go over a GM motor.

9K ain't no thang.

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Re: Re: Jim Cesiro
 

March 2006

This was with your old engine?

Is the new one back from the shop yet?

They just salted the roads here in Michigan, I'm in pain - Porsche in the garage for four months - at least.

Re: Re: Re: Jim Cesiro
 

That was with my old engine with 1/2 the compression it was supposed to have. Kids, when your car overheats do not make excuses and drive it anyway. LOL!

Engine has been done for a while, the finishing touches are being put on the fuel system, imagine fuel lines as big around as your index finger from the fuel pump to the fuel rails. It will support 700RWHP now and I am shooting for over 500 to the wheels. All from a little (heavier than an LS1) 1.3 liter. :D

I miss that car a lot. I cannot wait to get behind the wheel again, the break in will be murder....

Not to diss a 928, but I've never had to replace a timing belt at 40k on a chebby engine, or the water pumps for that matter.

I got well over 1000 hp out of a "modified" chrysler hemi once...

It is in an 8. :D

The timing belts are normal wear items. You could certainly get 60, 70, maybe 80k out of one. Not wise on the interference models....but entirely possible. The water pump is a 'while you're in there' job, so they're usually done at the same time. The entire procedure is a $400 DIY job.

I never really messed with many mopars because the prices were always so much higher, but i have definitely blown up my fair share of SBC motors. :)

Bringing this back from the dead......


http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads...1173476085.jpg

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads...1173476098.jpg

Just the ticket for those V8 conversions :rolleyes:

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