But, but, but, as one of the most highly taxed citizenry in the world that can't be, can it?

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Are you sure they are not? How does German tax code handle invested capital, R&D or Depreciation? I do not know......

This means the capitalist system will have to do its job, which is to fill the void with affordable EVs for the masses. While this does not put them all in Tesla/Porsche/Mercedes products, the affluent will want to drive them.....

They certainly are not subsidizing an individual company the way Mr Musk has been, which is the subject of discussion here.

I should start my own thread about this but...

Has anyone done a total cost analysis of electric vs gasoline cars?

As in comparing electricity prices vs gas vs storage and loss of power whilst storing electricity.
And have they factored in the "cost" of using coal produced electricity vs other sources?

At the end of the day it takes a certain amount of energy to produce and propel a car.

So what's the most "efficient" way to do that?

Being the "Saudi Arabia" of Scandinavia (with 1/6 the population) certainly doesn't hurt.

Dude..... this ain't no fantasy of mine...... and yes you can borrow $100.

Do not know but here is what I found.... just inserted an excerpt from an article

Despite Germany's commitment to a social market economy, exceptions to market principles existed in West Germany and are proliferating in united Germany. German economic institutes and experts have repeatedly warned that authorities at various levels have supported many economic activities that should long ago have been discontinued or compelled to become competitive. Federal and Land authorities have ignored the complaints of the economists but have usually promised to reduce or eliminate subsidies as soon as feasible.

A Chevy Bolt is about ~30kWH for 100 mile charge. At 6 cents per kWH, that's about $2.00.

If you get 33 MPG you need three gallons to go 100 miles. Maybe $7.50 for gasoline?

Manufacturers say electric is 10% of a gas car, I would say more like 25%. There are other savings, like free charging where you work (or shop), no oil changes, almost zero brake wear etc. And there are wide ranges in 'fuel' prices, and some variation in kWH/100 miles, based on driving conditions and style. I am sure I could use double what Chevy and Tesla claim. You drive like a manic and the estimates go out the window.

I pay 10 cents/kWH, and I get 50 mpg in my car. The numbers for me would be $3.00 electric versus about $5.00 in diesel. Not enough to get my interest, my car was dirt cheap.

Ouch, Man. :D

I gots me one pal with one Tesla S. Early version. I like it. He paid thru the nose.

Tucker slam was outstanding.

I think the problem is that "efficiency" isn't even a concern with EV proponents. They just think they are saving the planet, and that there's some magical electricity fairy that supplies all the power to charge their EV unicorns. The fact is that oil & gas will always be needed. It is the backbone to modern civilization. For vehicles, the reduction of "carbon emissions" is the goal of those who support EVs, with the side benefit of "sustainability" as they see fossil fuels as a non-renewable resource that will completely dry up soon (a can that has been constantly kicked down, regarding the time we have left until we "run out"). But many fail to see the big picture.

If there was a transition to 100% EVs, the power demands and infrastructure to keep them on the road would be monumental. The electricity to keep those batteries charged has to come from somewhere. However, it seems that nobody is concerned with that. In reality, a surge in EVs could easily increase the net demand/need for fossil fuels, not reduce it.

Further, if one is concerned with fossil fuels being a finite resource, why isn't there any concern about the "sustainability" (and environmental concerns) of mining the materials needed to produce batteries, and especially powerful electric motors?
They don't call them "Rare Earth" elements for nothing.

This is where the electric technology is headed. Performance AND efficiency. What's wrong with that? There are electrified detractors out there but PORSCHE is not one of them.



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Eric
You mistake Prius owners with Tesla owners.

Tesla owners are wealthy types who like the technology and what it says about them vs the impact to environment.

So you are saying that Tesla owners are driven by emotion and how they are perceived by others, pretty much what I thought.

Same demographic (image) as S Class, 7 series and Panamera which coincidentally are all sold with a 2019 Electric option..... actually put the Tesla sales next to the S class.... surprising how many Tesla's that are sold..... or were sold. I think sales have cooled...

What measure of efficiency are you asking about?

No they don't but the taxpayers shouldn't be dumping billions into research to produce a niche market car that may or may not be available other than a few folks.

You should be ashamed of yourself! Do it like Musk "give me $100 million for research"

For $5,000, I'll sell you the flying car option for any new Tesla. The feature will be activated at some unspecified future point.

The whole deal.

1. It it cheaper to build a gas car or all electric?
2. Which car would last longer without any major repairs or component replacement?
3. Does the lower maintenances costs of an Electric offset any financial advantage to owning a gas car?
4. Were is the lithium mined and how far is it shipped and then made into batteries and then shipped again to install in the car?
5. Which car uses more Joules of energy to do its job?

Electric cars seem great but I want some facts and figures on what it really "costs" to drive one.

This is desirable and depending on your circumstances could actually make a decent daily.

Morgan EV3

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And a JUAAAG. :D

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