Are we not talking about the way cool new Tesla lorry and Roadster?
 

Ignoring him won't make him go away :)

They look pretty amazing, from what I can see.

Johnny Lieberman has some pretty interesting comments about the ridiculous torque claims.
On instagram.

Roadster looks nice, but $250k - not really a topic for me.

I like the centre driving position in the trucks... surprising they aren't all like that.

Those acceleration numbers for the roadster are pretty crazy... I have a hard time believing it has enough grip to accelerate all those batteries!

Is Tesla even going to last long enough as a company to produce these? Isn't the Model 3 dragging them down, almost to the verge of failure?

That said, and 8.9 second quarter mile is some pretty serious stuff. Times like that take a lot more than just sheer power.

Walmart has ordered 15 trucks. If that testing goes well, trucks will save Tesla. UPS and FedEx must be watching Tesla carefully.

So, is this the beginning of the end for gasoline powered cars?
What are Porsche, Lmbo.....etc are going to do?
How are they going to beat the competition?
Do you want to drive an all electric Porsche 911?

Shaun, UPS builds their own trucks, and have started pilot testing electrics.

But the Tesla story still remains the same; an inexpensive electric car for the masses. --it's just around the corner.

Pay no attention to upward climb of Te$la offerings with appeal to the toy collectors. ...and that those offerings are STILL not profitable.

Musk has a habit of rolling out a prototype and promising an unrealistic production date and volume, with features that haven't been developed yet every time sometime someone takes a peak behind the curtain to see that the wizard is just a mediocre man with a lot of hype and special effects. Good job at being misled and missing the slight-of-hand yet again! Tesla doesn't have a place to produce either of these vehicles. I'd be willing to bet these prototypes were finished within the past few days. That doesn't mean they are production-ready. They probably haven't worked out how to even make them yet. The promised features will have a development timeline similar to Duke Nukem Forever.

Musk's semi can cover half the distance of a conventional semi. He claims it can charge in 20 minutes, but we know doing this to batteries severely limits their life. It is a day cab only so that severely limits its potential market, as does it's range. It will cost many multiples of comparable diesel, after subsidies. I bet the first one isn't delivered for five years, and even then each one will be a hand-built one-off for some high-profile corporate customer who buys them not for their utility but for the press coverage they will get. I'd bet they are all permanently garaged withing two years.

The Musk Scam takes a new turn to keep the money coming in.
Ponzi would be proud.

Yup. All of those amazing new products are offered with an ever so low buy-in to get on the wait list! A nice scheme for a company that is hemmoraging cash and unable to get anywhere near their promised production rate for the new Model 3. They are grossly behind schedul on the 3, what idiot in their right mind thinks they can get into full production on their first semi in two years?

Really like!

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1510975417.jpg

http://cdn.wonderfulengineering.com/...ar-798x350.jpg

oooh.... and a new audi

No big deal. Porsche did it years ago:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1510980502.jpg

and, the flying Porsche will probably be a reality sooner than a profitable Tesla.

The over the road truck doesn't make much sense. Diesels are most efficient at steady speeds and most OTR trucks operate outside congested areas. Where electric power would make more sense is local delivery trucks, where its use would get the noise and pollution of diesels out of cities.

Neither will the constant complaining about him.

will your toaster still work when half the cars on the road are plugged in every day?

yup, I've got a gasoline powered toaster in the works right now.

The guy has barely made 300 Model 3s when he promised he'd be making 20,000 per month by now.

But yes he's going to take you to the moon, Mars, hyper loop you around the planet in an hour, build a zero to 60 in 2 second roadster and other assorted BS. I think some people love to be fooled.

John DeLorean squared.

Except Musk did it on the government’s dime.

Except the government does not have any money. That is taxpayer’s money. As in MY money and your money.

That is why normal people complain, and soft heads claim the complainers are haters

maybe Musk is really Tesla reincarnated

Musk is good at what he does. He knows how to promote his ideas.
How that pans out in the long run remains to be seen but he's had a positive effect on the auto industry.

If money wasn't an issue I'd buy a Tesla just to see what they're all about.

One story I read a major long haul trucking firm said the truck has about a 600 mile range (compared to 1800 mile diesel) and is going to be in the heaviest weight class, reducing it's payload quite a bit over diesel. A charge takes a lot longer than filling a tank.
They said it was a total no go for them, but it might be useful for local deliveries in cities.
Again not ready for prime time.

Too many people have drank Musk's kool-aid and continue to throw money at his dreams that produce nothing the average person (or now, company) can use. His scam keeps growing with new ideas to keep the taxpayer's funds rolling in.

^yep

What is the market capitalization vs projected sales?

And because they are not making profit in each unit sold, can they make it up in volume? :cool:

= need more interesting Future story to sell. Perhaps a chart showing the future with a red line going up and to the right. Perhaps a 3D model of a <strike>Death</strike> Tesla-Star to be built out in the moon's orbit. Think of the light it would provide on nights of a new moon.

Preston Tucker and his colleagues were indicted and tried for similar tactics in the 1940's...selling accessories and dealerships for cars that were not yet in existence. Ultimately he was acquitted but with all assets and progress seized for the trial his company was bankrupt once the trial was finished. How times have changed, and haven't.

It's not the government's money, it's your money! Government is perhaps best at taking $ from voters and giving it to special interests that fund their campaigns.

That why when states and cities give tax breaks to Disney, Hugh has to pay more in taxes.

GE getting $25M in tax breaks from Boston, that money has to be made up somewhere.

Amazon being thrown billion $ tax breaks for the second headquarters...

Ultimately we only have ourselves to blame for not demanding election reform, spending reform, accountability when grants and tax breaks are given, etc.

Fact is whether it's a new football stadium or a Fortune 500 move or technology driven grants or gross mispending on military, we can all cry and complain but nothing is going change until voters have their own K Street representation.

Or serious government reform which is obviously laughable.

I think Shaun makes a very valid point. There are gifts to profitable businesses that don't need the money, while everyone is bent out of shape when money is given to someone who might actually be changing the way transportation works.

In an ideal world Musk would take all the risk himself. The world is not ideal.

He has a history of over promising, then delivering something slightly less than he promised, but he always delivers something.

I think the craziest claim he made was that his truck recharging network will be 100% solar powered. That is a long long way off....

Also, if you watched the live reveal, he is a terrible public speaker. Absolutely terrible.

Sounds like Tesla owes everyone who pays taxes a new car. Unless he pays us back.

I'm waiting for free Patriots SuperBowl tickets and an F35.

Why wouldn't an established automotive powerhouse purchase Tesla...... I know it is currently over-valued...... but........ when the money drain eventually catches up to value wouldn't the product fit nicely into an established marketing, manufacturing and distribution network..... and again I understand the valuation issue..... if this were a start-up candy bar hershey would have already purchased and integrated.....

Lorry..... Electric makes no sense except in urban environment.... now autonomous drive that can extend vehicle utilization and uptime..... that becomes transformative.....

^^^

they may be in talks, we won't know until something happens but my guess is they aren't. Any M&A consultant would advise to wait for a negative watershed moment for Tesla. Of course the gamble is one may never come.

I can see licensing from Tesla and imagine FedEx and UPS are looking into it.

There is a ton of motor freight from NJ and PA to New England. Electric makes a ton of sense.

Truckers need dependability and access to quick and reasonable repair no matter where they are. Neither are in the electric equation at this time other than maybe for the Post Office or local UPS delivery vans.
OTR trucks don't want to use up half of their weight allowance on the vehicle just to have the privilege of getting half the distance between fuel stops.

+!
Get rid of all the subsidies and credits and I'm fine with throwing out subsidies and credits for alternative fuel vehicles. In the mean time, if money is going to get thrown around anyway, I'd like to see some of it thrown at something with a future.

A future? Here's what a guy who actually knows the car business has to say:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/17/tesla-is-going-out-of-business-says-former-gm-exec-bob-lutz.html

That is how healthcare is supposed to work. You are not saying you are skeptical that the model works for electric cars are you?

Shaun does make his valid point, again.


People are sick of the way things are, that is how Mr Trump got elected.

Yep. A guy who knows the car business. Lutz was a promoter of electric cars and backed the development of the Volt.

"I believe strongly that this country has to get off oil" he [Lutz] says, sitting beside a massive V-16 engine on display in his office. "The electrification of the automobile is inevitable."

Bob Lutz: The Man Who Revived the Electric Car

He did not say electric was failing...... he said the bleed at Tesla was not sustainable.....

No one is buying this company.
TSLA has a market cap of $30 BILLION. Same as GM.
And their IP / patents are open source.