What good is legalizing weed if you can't use it?

[Khal]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Apparently they do buy it. I can't believe you are claiming that only the wealthy and successful smoke pot. LOL.

So to cons, people making $250k a year are middle class and poor people spend $400 bucks a month on weed. Right

If you have $400 bucks a month to smoke into thin air I doubt you're poor at all.

[fintstone]

Originally Posted by Khal

So to cons, people making $250k a year are middle class and poor people spend $400 bucks a month on weed. Right

If you have $400 bucks a month to smoke into thin air I doubt you're poor at all.

If they could afford to spend huge amounts their habits they would not be poor. Most folks earn more than $400 per month...If 28 percent of users make $20K per year or less...that is $1667 per month. They have over a grand left each month to give their mom for letting them love in her basement. The ones who make less can just stiff their mom on the rent a bit.

[scottmandue]

Can we send this thread to PARF yet?

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Can we send this thread to PARF yet?

Pot And Reefer Forum...here we come...

Obama never exhaled

[fintstone]

Has it become too religious or political? I hear that some of the new, more potent strains will make one see God...almost like windowpane was said to do. Is that true?

[Joe Bob]

I recently did a short term, full time but temporary job for Boulder County. They did a pre-employment drug test on me. They stated up front that they did NOT test for pot....

[jwasbury]

So the legality of one has nothing to do with the legality of the other.

^disagree. drugs are drugs. laws should reflect common sense and a consistent approach. I happen to believe that with respect to MJ, it should be legalized/decriminalized and we should treat it similar to alcohol. This means strict rules and controls regarding age of possession and purchase, operating motor vehicles, advertising and marketing, etc.

i have not made any argument to make alcohol legal. Are you making the argument to make it illegal. Making rape legal because murder is worse does not seem like a wise idea. If alcoholism as bad as you claim and MJ is simply not quite so bad...why would you want to add another? One intoxicant is not enough?

Are you being purposely obtuse? Two wrongs don't make a right? This is your rationale?

I see a big difference between companies not actively advertising well know dangers of their product and ones who constantly produce/distribute false information misrepresenting the danger of theirs. Don't you?

Of course I see the difference...however, I also know that many more BILLIONS of dollars are spent promoting alcohol than are spent promoting MJ. I don't see any MJ advertising during the Superbowl do you? Furthermore, alcohol marketing NEVER shows you the potential risks of using their product, does it. That's all ok by you because its legal. You claim to want to protect the youth and poor from the scourge of MJ, but you're ok with the status quo with respect to alcohol. That sure sounds like hypocrisy to me.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Craig T

Whoa Dudes. Everybody needs to come over my house and take a chill pill. Legal, illegal, who cares man.

Does it smell as good when growing as it does when in the bag?

I do love the scent in the bag. Love the smoking smell as well.

Just can't smoke it without 1/2 hour of paranoia. Never liked that part so I don't.

[GH85Carrera]

Wow, you actually LIKE that rancid stink. Amazing. Do you like burning insulation and old dirty socks smell as well. I have always hated that stinky smell of a joint. It is even worse than a cigarette or cigar ashtray on a humid day in a car when the sun comes out after a rain. Barf.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Wow, you actually LIKE that rancid stink. Amazing. Do you like burning insulation and old dirty socks smell as well. I have always hated that stinky smell of a joint. It is even worse than a cigarette or cigar ashtray on a humid day in a car when the sun comes out after a rain. Barf.

Too expensive for a joint. A couple of one hitters do the job and saves money!

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

Wow, you actually LIKE that rancid stink.

I yam what I yam.

The shiet sniffs good to me.

Don't smoke it but love sniffin' it.

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Does it smell as good when growing as it does when in the bag?

I do love the scent in the bag. Love the smoking smell as well.

Just can't smoke it without 1/2 hour of paranoia. Never liked that part so I don't.

That crap isn't mine. I was being flip. I lifted the pics from the internet. One puff and I'm so paranoid I have to lock myself in a closet with an A/R.

[mattdavis11]

I haven't read the whole thread, but there's a pot farm down the road from me. Not that it's a big deal to me, there was a pot farm down the road when I was in college. A big one, 7 acres, on the Ole Miss campus.

Texas is not following the lead of other states without caution, but will ultimately defend what is known as our Compassionate Care Act. What we have aimed to do is help those which suffer from epileptic seizures. It's the right thing to do, and enough for now. I can't imagine the feds coming after Texas. I do, however, foresee the feds going after blew states.

Fintstone, change locations, man.

[BK911]

Shoot man, skunk road kill makes my mouth water craving Doritos!

[jwasbury]

Originally Posted by Craig T

One puff and I'm so paranoid I have to lock myself in a closet with an A/R.

^funny stuff

[fintstone]

Now that marijuana is legal in California, you should understand the health risks
Ron Reece
Cannabis may be legal now in California, but is still unhealthy
As of Jan. 1, 2018, California’s “gold rush” or “green rush” is on. The passing of Prop. 64 legalized the recreational use of marijuana for those over 21.

Being a physician, believing in evidence-based medicine, what positive or negative health effects of marijuana are well studied?

The Shasta County Public Health Department Provider Spring 2017 bulletin points us to such a resource, the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine 2017 report "The Health Effects of Cannabis and Cannabinoids: The Current State of Evidence and Recommendations for Research."

The full report, available at nap.edu, organizes cannabis health effects as conclusive evidence, substantial evidence, moderate evidence, limited evidence and no evidence based upon the quality or lack of quality of scientific studies available. With the usage of marijuana products predicted to increase, additional quality scientific studies will be assembled to support or refute the advantages or disadvantages of marijuana.

I will concentrate on the National Academy of Sciences’ conclusive evidence, substantial evidence and moderate evidence on cannabis usage.

Respiratory disease: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis smoking and worsening respiratory symptoms and more frequent chronic bronchitis episodes. Cessation of cannabis smoking will improve respiratory symptoms.

Injury and death: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and increased risk of motor vehicle crashes. There is moderate evidence between cannabis use and the increase risk of overdose injuries, including respiratory distress, among pediatric populations in the U.S. states where cannabis is legal. (Keep cannabis and cannabinoids products away from children.)

Prenatal, perinatal and neonatal exposure: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between maternal cannabis smoking and low birth weight of the offspring.

Psychosocial: There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis usage and the impairment of learning, memory and attention (acute cannabis use).

Mental health: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of schizophrenia or other psychoses, with the highest risk among the most frequent users. There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and increased symptoms of mania and hypomania in individuals diagnosed with bipolar disorders (regular cannabis use). Moderate evidence shows an increase incidence of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts with a higher incidence among heavier users, an increase in suicide completion and an increase in incidence of social anxiety disorder (regular cannabis use).

Problem cannabis use: There is substantial evidence that being male and smoking cigarettes are risk factors for the progression of cannabis use to problem cannabis use. Initiating cannabis use at an earlier age is a risk factor for the development of problem cannabis use. There is moderate evidence that during adolescence the frequency of cannabis use, oppositional behaviors, a younger age of first alcohol use, nicotine use, parental substance use, poor school performance, antisocial behaviors and childhood sexual abuse are risk factors for the development of problem cannabis use. There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of other substance dependence and abuse including alcohol, tobacco and other illicit drugs.

Therapeutic effects: There is conclusive or substantial evidence that cannabis or cannabinoids are effective for the treatment of chronic pain in adults (cannabis); effective for treatment of chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting (oral cannabinoids) and effective treatment for improving patient-reported multiple sclerosis spasticity symptoms (oral cannabinoids). There is limited evidence supporting the usage of marijuana for anxiety symptoms of public speaking or improving symptoms of posttraumatic stress disorders. There is little or no evidence cannabis or cannabinoids are effective treatment for cancer, symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome, epilepsy, motor system symptoms associated with Parkinson’s disease, or achieving abstinence in the use of addictive substances.

As with tobacco products the “gold rush” is on for those who grow, process and sell marijuana. The concentration of cannabis and cannabinoids in products are now at their highest, meaning rapid addiction and problem cannabis use present real threats to our community. Contrary to tobacco law, Prop. 64 allows advertising of marijuana on primetime TV when children watch. Marijuana products sold as gummy bears and brownies have already increased ER visits for children in Colorado. There are few medical indications for the appropriate use of marijuana; however, for most, marijuana will be “fool’s gold”.

Make it a New Year’s resolution to educate your family about the health risks of marijuana.

[RKDinOKC]

Can't you smell that smell?

The neighborhood behind my back fence has a street next to my fence to give everyone back access to garages. Was mowing along one day and smelled that smell. Turned off my mower and took a big wiff to make sure. Made the comment out loud..."That smells like pot!" Almost immediately a V8 hot rod on the other side of the fence roared to life and burnt rubber leaving. Struck me as funny and almost fell over laughing.

[Craig T]

About this time last year one of my neighbors put a big shipping canister on an undeveloped area of his 5 acre property. His property backs up to a seldom used (accept by Tank and me every AM) hiking/horse trail that runs an easement between two properties leading to the hills. The canister is about 30 feet off the trail.

One morning I noticed digging was done overnight and some PVC pipe cuttings scattered around. A couple mornings later there was an open trench running from the canister toward the house. The next day, it's filled in and a hum is coming from the canister with a big padlock on the door. All this is being done at night I made the assumption he was growing weed in there. Hell, what do I care.

I don't know they guy at all, but after about a month I see him parked down by the canister with his truck. I laughed and said..."Hey Neighbor, whatcha growing in there?" He snapped back at me..."It's just furniture!".

Two days later...The canister is gone! I s#it you not! Within a month the house was for sale. I swear to God. The new neighbor is a fire department engineer with a nice young family and a golden retriever. I feel bad that I sparked the stoners paranoia so badly he had to move...But I sure like the upgraded neighbors.

[fintstone]

Yep, just follow the money. They are actually putting up billboards across CA to convince people that legalizing MJ is harmless:

"Sales were expected to hit $10 billion nationwide in 2017 and grow with the legalization of marijuana in California at the start of this year.

In a report issued before Sessions’ announcement of a change in federal policy – the effect of which is not yet determined – BDS Analytics forecast that marijuana sales in California alone could total $3.7 billion this year and $5.1 billion next year."

[Mark Henry]

Originally Posted by fintstone

Injury and death: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and increased risk of motor vehicle crashes.

Canada is now testing a roadside saliva test that is showing accurate results. Several systems being tested such as the Alere DDS®2 Mobile Test System.

Psychosocial: There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis usage and the impairment of learning, memory and attention (acute cannabis use).

Mental health: There is substantial evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and the development of schizophrenia or other psychoses, with the highest risk among the most frequent users. There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and increased symptoms of mania and hypomania in individuals diagnosed with bipolar disorders (regular cannabis use). Moderate evidence shows an increase incidence of suicidal ideation and suicide attempts with a higher incidence among heavier users, an increase in suicide completion and an increase in incidence of social anxiety disorder (regular cannabis use).

Therapeutic effects: There is conclusive or substantial evidence that cannabis or cannabinoids are effective for the treatment of chronic pain in adults (cannabis); effective for treatment of chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting (oral cannabinoids) and effective treatment for improving patient-reported multiple sclerosis spasticity symptoms (oral cannabinoids). There is limited evidence supporting the usage of marijuana for anxiety symptoms of public speaking or improving symptoms of posttraumatic stress disorders. There is little or no evidence cannabis or cannabinoids are effective treatment for cancer, symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome, epilepsy, motor system symptoms associated with Parkinson’s disease, or achieving abstinence in the use of addictive substances.

Then why is my wife's hospital using it?
Any biased study isn't worth the paper its printed on. In fact most of what you post are heavily biased mostly based on anecdotal evidence.

Major unbiased study already showing promising huge benefits. Also many clients and their families have been fighting chemical base sedation drugs creating physical danger for clients, family and staff. These people are on the whole OK with cannabis based therapies. At first low dose therapy didn't show much difference, now with higher doses they are seeing the results. The study is also ongoing expansion of its scope.


As with tobacco products the “gold rush” is on for those who grow, process and sell marijuana. The concentration of cannabis and cannabinoids in products are now at their highest, meaning rapid addiction and problem cannabis use present real threats to our community. Contrary to tobacco law, Prop. 64 allows advertising of marijuana on primetime TV when children watch. Marijuana products sold as gummy bears and brownies have already increased ER visits for children in Colorado. There are few medical indications for the appropriate use of marijuana; however, for most, marijuana will be “fool’s gold”.

IIRC gummy bears are illegal in CO since Oct '17, all new things will have growing pains and changes. Here tobacco advertisement has been illegal for decades, I believe MJ will not be advertised as well.

Make it a New Year’s resolution to educate your family about the health risks of marijuana.

We always have, we are always getting compliments on how well we have raised our teens. We also believe in giving them unbiased information and because of my wife's occupation my kids have seen psychiatric hospital wards first hand.

Cheers