Building the Turbo

[Rickysa]

Has this been posted before?? Pretty neat (wish it was longer )

[SeanPizzle]

If all Porsches are now turbo, how do we designate the Turbo?

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by SeanPizzle

If all Porsches are now turbo, how do we designate the Turbo?

There will be no more regular Turbo, only a Turbo S

But the badge will read "Turbo $"
The former Turbo S will be called "Turbo $$"


To be honest, i think it's Bull$****. that there are no more NA engines.
They won't put out any less polution in real life use

they will just consume less fuel at lower use where nobody cares what they do..

And I bet Porsche will have to figure out a way to keep chiptuners from increasing the boost and rivaling the Turbo S model for cheaps.. porsche hates having others take their margin...

So I expect some kind of DME with a firewall/AV/checksup rootkit protection soon.
Or they will build mechanical parts that are hard to replace and will do a controlled failure if subjeted to to much boost.

Like intake runners that can only handle xx amount of boost
or dfi injectors that don't work with high boost but have a non standard mounting compared to the turbo injectors that can handle it.


To be honest, if I had the money now, I'de probably buy a more recent NA engined second hand 991.. Like the 993 they will be the last of a breed, and will becomes more valuable , low production last of an era.

[Nickshu]

Will the "real turbo" still get you a Metzger engine?

[svandamme]

I would think they have to keep that up , else the difference would be to little for them to justify the price difference.

[svandamme]

I wonder if it would be possible to unturbo them..

different cams
different exhaust (which people do all the time anyway)
loose some horse power and torque, sure, but most people can't use 350-400 horses anyway..
And definately not on public roads

[Nickshu]

Doesn't the current 991 already have light pressure turbos on the "integrated dry sump" (non-metzger) engine? I'm not up to date on much past the 997.1. I was at my local indy shop awhile back and saw a new one on the lift...noticed it had an oil pan and I thought I saw small turbos on each side.

[tcar]

It's MEZGER... no 't'.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by svandamme

I wonder if it would be possible to unturbo them..

different cams
different exhaust (which people do all the time anyway)
loose some horse power and torque, sure, but most people can't use 350-400 horses anyway..
And definately not on public roads

The Affordable 996 Thread

[Nickshu]

Originally Posted by tcar

It's MEZGER... no 't'.

Sorry...Mezger pronounced Metzger in the german TZ way.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

The Affordable 996 Thread

yeh but i hate the 996 interior, it's soooo dated

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by svandamme

I wonder if it would be possible to unturbo them..

different cams
different exhaust (which people do all the time anyway)
loose some horse power and torque, sure, but most people can't use 350-400 horses anyway..
And definately not on public roads

It's amusing to see someone that is posting on a sports/performance car forum theorize how to neuter the cars' engines and then offer rationalization about why that is a good thing to do.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo

It's amusing to see someone that is posting on a sports/performance car forum theorize how to neuter the cars' engines and then offer rationalization about why that is a good thing to do.

I just don't like turbo petrol cars
they sound like **** compared to a high strung NA engine.

From your forum name, i gather you do like turbo. that's fine.
But the fact remains that most people can't handle 350 horses
They don't need 350 horses
Turbo's do not sound as refined as a NA flat 6 at 7000 rpm....
This change has nothing to do with fun, power or excitement, it has to do with emissions

I'll take 250 horses
a lighter chassis
no lag,
great sound
All day long.


You do realize that these low pressure turbo's are only there because of regulatory emission testing, right?

So what is so wrong at the suggestion that I would prefer it if they got one out that compromises some horsepower in favor of a better experience?
They can get those emissions down just as easy without the turbo.. just a bit less power.. but no; that's a marketing issue
everything has to be bigger and more powerful at each generation.

a turbo in this context is not the superlative people think it is.
It's just more bland.
Next time, they'll introduce mandatory hybride power.

They'll down scale the engine like in the Cayman
and replace some cyllinders with batteries


Flat 4 doing 200 bhp
200 from the batteries

You'll still have more horses at the wheels
you'll still have some kind of turbo for that little flat 4 engine
But it will be bland.
it will sound like sjit

Treehuggers will rejoice
I won't.

the Next gen will be a Flat 2 with a little turbo on it.
basically it will be a little petrol engine to extend the autonomy of the Porschitesla past the city limits of your home town.
100 horses from petrol sounding like brrrrrrrrrrr, flatline and monotomous
with the remaining 350 horses sounding like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

But you'll have those 450 horses, woop ti doo.

after that you'll have your 911 E, where E used to stand proud for Einspritzung, that E will be for Eeeuhletric.

[unclebilly]

Anyone can handle 350-400 HP in a newer Porsche. The driving nannies make it nearly impossible not to be able to handle the HP.

400 HP in an older car like my 86 Turbo, that’s a different story. I don’t need 400+ HP in this car but it sure puts a huge grin on my face everytime it hits 4200 RPM.

[svandamme]

Well sure, but they still can't use those 350-400 hp on the streets
I prefer my 250 hp with the gimmicks off over 350 with nannie systems.

you know, driver, instead of "operator"

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Well sure, but they still can't use those 350-400 hp on the streets
I prefer my 250 hp with the gimmicks off over 350 with nannie systems.

you know, driver, instead of "operator"

Perhaps you should try a Miata. Just a thought.

[svandamme]

about 100 bhp short and I have no ambition towards becoming a hairdresser.

[Nickshu]

Originally Posted by svandamme

Well sure, but they still can't use those 350-400 hp on the streets
I prefer my 250 hp with the gimmicks off over 350 with nannie systems.

you know, driver, instead of "operator"

I drove the current Ferrari 488 on the track and hated it...turbo lag was horrible out of every corner. Very hard to throttle steer that car. I suppose with more seat time I might be able to manage it but in 10 laps in it I was not having fun other than halfway down each straight.

Originally Posted by svandamme

about 100 bhp short and I have no ambition towards becoming a hairdresser.

I always love the hairdresser comments...particularly ironic when you consider the fact that the Miata is pretty much the most raced car in the history of all cars (and I mean real racing, at least at the amateur level..SCCA/NASA/WRL, etc, not boy racer street stuff).

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by Nickshu

I always love the hairdresser comments...particularly ironic when you consider the fact that the Miata is pretty much the most raced car in the history of all cars (and I mean real racing, at least at the amateur level..SCCA/NASA/WRL, etc, not boy racer street stuff).

could be , but that's a function of affordability.
And they are not stock.

Personally I'm not a racer, and would not wanna be seen dead in one.
They are just not good looking cars imo.. And since I'm no moviestar, i really need a roof and a car that at least looks better then me