Dumb beotch at the track
 

I guess when it comes to lawsuits all bets are off, but I thought standard operating procedure was for participants to sign a waiver before the event started absolving anyone from liability in the event of a crash, etc.

Here's the crash from your link:

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Hmmm... Daniel Kim, the rider, claims he should have been warned about the sandbags in the runoff areas. Yet he arrived late and missed the riders' meeting. On top of that, he was in the tenth lap of an afternoon session - he had clearly spent enough time on the track that day to observe all of the potential hazards himself. He also tried to claim - obviously before he was aware there was a video - that he lost control when overtaking a slower rider. The video clearly reveals there was no slower rider - he was lying. And finally, that video speaks for itself with regards to his riding "skills" - he has none. It very clearly shows his crash to be a result of his lack of skill and commitment.

What a slimeball of an opportunistic little prick. Someone needs to look him up and break every freakin' bone in his body.

What a douchebag.

Every time I drove on the track, I took it that it was my responsibility to not crash and if I did, it was my problem.

I told my family, if something happened to me, do not sue the track.

There's a lot of unanswered questions.

The guy who crashed missed the morning meeting. Were the sandbags pointed out in that meeting?

What is Keigwin's policy regarding access to the track after skipping the meeting?

This was supposedly the first event the new owner put on after buying KATT. Did he follow the same policies as the previous owner?

The judge released the county and SCRAMP from the lawsuit, because in the track rental agreement there is a clause saying the renter has the right to inspect the track prior to using it. I'd like to see that clause. How is it handled if you don't like something? "You need to move those sandbags" - "We only have two guys, it will take use all morning, and you'll lose that track time" - "Nevermind, we'll just point them out in the morning meeting".

The article stated the sandbags are removed for major events, so where's the cutoff for major vs minor events? Did any other renter request the bags be moved? What was the result?

Like I said, lots of questions, and I'd like to see answers before I call the guy names for suing after signing the waiver.

All of those questions are rendered irrelevant by the simple fact that Daniel Kim had plenty of opportunity to see those sandbags both in previous sessions and during the first ten laps of the session wherein he crashed. Fully aware of their presence, he chose to ride anyway. I'll even venture to guess that he never complained about them to the track day organizers.

Sorry, this is 100% on him. He saw those sandbags on the very first lap of his very first session, which I bet was run under yellow to boot - just so riders can familiarize themselves with the current state of the track. That would have been the time to come in and raise any concerns about track safety. The fact that he did not indicates he was happy with what he saw and felt safe in continuing.

Can't have your cake and eat it too. This is all on him.

I'd say you are an idiot but we aren't allowed to call people names here. SO, I will just say that your opinion is useless.......

I don't know, he asks some valid questions

Guy signed the waiver and went off the track because he did not hold his line and sat up in the turn. His position is apparently that he would not have been injured if the sandbag, probably more like a big sock full of hay, was not there. I think he would have still crashed, sandbag or no. Look at the ruts right where he went off, probably not keeping it together through that. Claim of gross negligence is a bit of a reach, particularly if he missed the driver's meeting and went past it 9 times before he crashed and did not think it was a problem. They should have black flagged his ass for not making the driver's meeting, that is where they messed up, not leaving the sandbags out.

This could set a bad precedent

People don't walk the track?

People just don't take responsibility for their MISTAKES!

what a monumental wanker!

He ****ed up the entire corner, from when he got off the brakes.

He ****ed up the off-track portion, in that he target fixed on the bags and then didn't know how to get over them easily, as anybody with dirtbike experience would have done.

He doesn't have enough talent to ride the motorcycle he's on, he makes poor judgments in his entire approach to the sport and it bothers me that his lack of personal responsibility might ruin the sport for everyone in the country.

It bothers me that there are lawyers out there that will throw endless **** at a wall to see if any of it might stick.

It bothers me that I agree, somewhat, with Higgins.

Obviously the root cause here is too many lawyers.

I'm no racer but it sure looks like he had plenty of room and lean to use before he went off of the surface. Was he in a class over his head?

Lots of irresponsible douche bags in this world looking to win the lawsuit lottery, and other DB's making excuses for them hoping it'll be their turn next.

I hope they die and get put in their graves quick, I gotta take a leak.

Total TOLL. Back to Rickshaws for you pal.

That says it all--that guy is a tool.

Ok, I give up. What's a TOLL? :confused:

I hope that plaintiff is banned from all tracks and blacklisted from all bike clubs. He needs to become famous. I wonder what his company's investors think of this lawsuit.

i dont think he is arguing he handled that corner correctly..no.

he obviously ran off the track..(who hasnt?)..he is debating the thought behind putting bags in the run-out area.

Then he should have attended the drivers meeting and raised that objection, or come in after the first nine laps where he would have noticed the sandbags. In reading the comments on that article, I'm almost starting to think he planned this whole thing as a way to get the payout he needs to keep his business running.

I don't ride.

In watching that video, I don't understand why he decided to stand it up and go off-roading, in the first place?! He for sure fckued the entire thing up, but seems like he could have ridden through it, staying on the pavement. Maybe pushed out to to the rumble strip, then back on the pavement? Afraid to stay committed?

As for the lawsuit, yeah, what a tool! Sad little man...

i'm not debating this. i agree he screwed up. in a jury, i would vote against him. i'm just pointing out to those hammering on his line, apex, lean, etc..that is not what is going to court. that's all.

i did exactly one track day on a bike. it was exhilarating, but i was not mentally skilled enough..i did it, done.

and your line above..is ridiculous. you got that from a REVZILLA article?

Not from the article, but some of the readers comments appeared that they were familiar with plaintiff's business and that he needs cash badly.

No, He said: " In reading the comments on that article I'm almost starting to think he planned this whole thing as a way to get the payout he needs to keep his business running."

He based his statement on the comments, not the article and he qualified it with "almost".

IOW he suggested that he may have suspicions. I don't see that as ridiculous at all.
I don't think anyone can honestly believe that the DB plaintiff in question was NOT motivated by $$$$$$$$$$.
Question is, was it before or just after?

still REVZILLA article. i buy motorcycle gear there.

He could have done any number of things to get out of this. Bottom line, he didn't stay focused on where he wanted to go, he focused on what was scaring him. You go where you look, so you look where you want to go. He didn't do that.

An entitled Wannabe, on a bike that is too heavy and too powerful for his level of riding ability and experience. His ego wrote a check that he couldn't cash.

Laguna Seca is on hill and in the rainy season has expected erosion issues.
The loose decomposed gravel and sand gets washed over the track and is swept before track days.

Hundreds of sand bags surrounding the track help reduce the erosion, so in the winter sand bags are located all around the track, its a good thing.
It helps avoid deeper ruts on run offs.

For big events they will grade the track perfectly but perhaps not after every winter rain or before every scheduled track day.

At a small track day event there was sand on some apexes where as on the big Reunion weekend in the middle of summer all of the erosion is graded nice and level.

Laguna Seca can run events in the rain as they have addressed the surface water run off with sand bags to keep the track clean.

Lesson only go to Laguna Seca in the summer if you want less sand bags.

Yup...complete toolbox.

And speaking of poor judgement and personal responsibility, I wonder if his asshattery on public roads would be useful to the defense:

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Maybe if he had been there before, he would have been more familiar with the above.

Oh wait, he has, multiple times:

https://www.youtube.com/user/LitMotors/videos

It's not like these are new issues.

Spectator egress signage is still poor and visitor viewing at all the good spots is limited.
I wasn't too impressed the few times I was there.
The driving side may be different.

Here is his company:

Home | Lit Motors

In the end, I hope he has to replace the sandbag he damaged...

you damage the wall you may have to pay to fix it.
Of all corners T5 has one of the widest, best camber track outs.

Visor cam Video of Laguna Seca with a 911. :)
https://youtu.be/PTaJ62xW8Jk

I just don't get what was keeping him from riding that out...on track!

EDIT: Did he really want to take that Duc off track?

Would it be negligent to scatter cinder blocks along the run off area of a track?

I've watched people on my rental 250 Ninjas ride straight off the track, not even attempting to slow down for a corner. People make mistakes.

In this guy's situation, he came into the corner with a narrow entry, which is mistake #1. That sets him up for a challenging exit, assuming he is at any decent speed.

Then, he misses the apex by a good 8', thereby narrowing the width of the track on exit.

His body position and bike control look good after the apex, but I think he gets spooked and either applies brakes, which push the bike wide, or he is mentally already searching the runoff for a way to save himself. Yes, for sure, anyone with any experience would have just finished the corner.

He probably had the front brake locked in the dirt, which expedited his endo, once he hit the sand bags.

I hope he loses the lawsuit and has to pay the legal fees of everybody he sued. Further, I hope that every entity that runs track days blacklists the guy for life.