Dumb beotch at the track

[stomachmonkey]

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[Baz]

I guess when it comes to lawsuits all bets are off, but I thought standard operating procedure was for participants to sign a waiver before the event started absolving anyone from liability in the event of a crash, etc.

Here's the crash from your link:

[Jeff Higgins]

Hmmm... Daniel Kim, the rider, claims he should have been warned about the sandbags in the runoff areas. Yet he arrived late and missed the riders' meeting. On top of that, he was in the tenth lap of an afternoon session - he had clearly spent enough time on the track that day to observe all of the potential hazards himself. He also tried to claim - obviously before he was aware there was a video - that he lost control when overtaking a slower rider. The video clearly reveals there was no slower rider - he was lying. And finally, that video speaks for itself with regards to his riding "skills" - he has none. It very clearly shows his crash to be a result of his lack of skill and commitment.

What a slimeball of an opportunistic little prick. Someone needs to look him up and break every freakin' bone in his body.

[A930Rocket]

What a douchebag.

Every time I drove on the track, I took it that it was my responsibility to not crash and if I did, it was my problem.

I told my family, if something happened to me, do not sue the track.

[rockfan4]

There's a lot of unanswered questions.

The guy who crashed missed the morning meeting. Were the sandbags pointed out in that meeting?

What is Keigwin's policy regarding access to the track after skipping the meeting?

This was supposedly the first event the new owner put on after buying KATT. Did he follow the same policies as the previous owner?

The judge released the county and SCRAMP from the lawsuit, because in the track rental agreement there is a clause saying the renter has the right to inspect the track prior to using it. I'd like to see that clause. How is it handled if you don't like something? "You need to move those sandbags" - "We only have two guys, it will take use all morning, and you'll lose that track time" - "Nevermind, we'll just point them out in the morning meeting".

The article stated the sandbags are removed for major events, so where's the cutoff for major vs minor events? Did any other renter request the bags be moved? What was the result?

Like I said, lots of questions, and I'd like to see answers before I call the guy names for suing after signing the waiver.

[Jeff Higgins]

All of those questions are rendered irrelevant by the simple fact that Daniel Kim had plenty of opportunity to see those sandbags both in previous sessions and during the first ten laps of the session wherein he crashed. Fully aware of their presence, he chose to ride anyway. I'll even venture to guess that he never complained about them to the track day organizers.

Sorry, this is 100% on him. He saw those sandbags on the very first lap of his very first session, which I bet was run under yellow to boot - just so riders can familiarize themselves with the current state of the track. That would have been the time to come in and raise any concerns about track safety. The fact that he did not indicates he was happy with what he saw and felt safe in continuing.

Can't have your cake and eat it too. This is all on him.

[winders]

Originally Posted by rockfan4

There's a lot of unanswered questions.

The guy who crashed missed the morning meeting. Were the sandbags pointed out in that meeting?

What is Keigwin's policy regarding access to the track after skipping the meeting?

This was supposedly the first event the new owner put on after buying KATT. Did he follow the same policies as the previous owner?

The judge released the county and SCRAMP from the lawsuit, because in the track rental agreement there is a clause saying the renter has the right to inspect the track prior to using it. I'd like to see that clause. How is it handled if you don't like something? "You need to move those sandbags" - "We only have two guys, it will take use all morning, and you'll lose that track time" - "Nevermind, we'll just point them out in the morning meeting".

The article stated the sandbags are removed for major events, so where's the cutoff for major vs minor events? Did any other renter request the bags be moved? What was the result?

Like I said, lots of questions, and I'd like to see answers before I call the guy names for suing after signing the waiver.

I'd say you are an idiot but we aren't allowed to call people names here. SO, I will just say that your opinion is useless.......

[Tobra]

I don't know, he asks some valid questions

Guy signed the waiver and went off the track because he did not hold his line and sat up in the turn. His position is apparently that he would not have been injured if the sandbag, probably more like a big sock full of hay, was not there. I think he would have still crashed, sandbag or no. Look at the ruts right where he went off, probably not keeping it together through that. Claim of gross negligence is a bit of a reach, particularly if he missed the driver's meeting and went past it 9 times before he crashed and did not think it was a problem. They should have black flagged his ass for not making the driver's meeting, that is where they messed up, not leaving the sandbags out.

This could set a bad precedent

[Joe Bob]

People don't walk the track?

[widgeon13]

People just don't take responsibility for their MISTAKES!

[masraum]

what a monumental wanker!

[javadog]

Originally Posted by peteremsley

It was odd that he seemed to be adding lean angle past the "apex" and yet still continued to run wider through the last part of the corner. Trying too hard to get a good drive on the rider in front, perhaps?

I think there is a good chance he could have stayed upright if the bags weren't there. I've ridden through the dirt, yuccas and tumbleweeds a few times, and its definitely bumps that get ya.

He ****ed up the entire corner, from when he got off the brakes.

He ****ed up the off-track portion, in that he target fixed on the bags and then didn't know how to get over them easily, as anybody with dirtbike experience would have done.

He doesn't have enough talent to ride the motorcycle he's on, he makes poor judgments in his entire approach to the sport and it bothers me that his lack of personal responsibility might ruin the sport for everyone in the country.

It bothers me that there are lawyers out there that will throw endless **** at a wall to see if any of it might stick.

It bothers me that I agree, somewhat, with Higgins.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Obviously the root cause here is too many lawyers.

[flatbutt]

I'm no racer but it sure looks like he had plenty of room and lean to use before he went off of the surface. Was he in a class over his head?

[sammyg2]

Lots of irresponsible douche bags in this world looking to win the lawsuit lottery, and other DB's making excuses for them hoping it'll be their turn next.

I hope they die and get put in their graves quick, I gotta take a leak.

[Alexm930]

Total TOLL. Back to Rickshaws for you pal.

[Eric 951]

Originally Posted by javadog

He ****ed up the entire corner, from when he got off the brakes.

He ****ed up the off-track portion, in that he target fixed on the bags and then didn't know how to get over them easily, as anybody with dirtbike experience would have done.

He doesn't have enough talent to ride the motorcycle he's on, he makes poor judgments in his entire approach to the sport and it bothers me that his lack of personal responsibility might ruin the sport for everyone in the country.

That says it all--that guy is a tool.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by Alexm930

Total TOLL. Back to Rickshaws for you pal.

Ok, I give up. What's a TOLL?

[Rick Lee]

I hope that plaintiff is banned from all tracks and blacklisted from all bike clubs. He needs to become famous. I wonder what his company's investors think of this lawsuit.

[vash]

i dont think he is arguing he handled that corner correctly..no.

he obviously ran off the track..(who hasnt?)..he is debating the thought behind putting bags in the run-out area.