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john70t 05-14-2018 10:06 AM

Butter and even fake virgin olive oil 'burns' easy at unattended medium stove temperatures.

Burning = Changing 'good' fats to 'bad'.
(when singeing, just burn a very small amount for flavor please)

The teflon pan itself is probably more bad than the butter.

pksystems 05-14-2018 10:54 AM

Margarine over butter any day of the week. It tastes so much better.... Better for you too.

recycled sixtie 05-14-2018 12:02 PM

I would add that everything should be in moderation. I very seldom eat butter or margarine but when I do it is just a thin layer. My dietician wife would agree. For cooking I use mostly olive oil.

Tobra 05-14-2018 12:08 PM

For some baked goods, it does not turn out right if you use butter. Sugar cookies, or the recipe I have for them anyway, do not turn out well with butter.

john70t 05-14-2018 12:40 PM

Butter has a lot of water which evaporates easy when baking.
The remaining butter fats burn easy at low temp when frying.

So use butter as a compliment flavor at the end of cooking.
Don't use as a primary fry grease.

Flour and watery mass ingredients such as vegetables requires time to absorb flavors and changes the entire process and cooking schedule.
Oil<=>Water<=>Carb mass absorption.

red-beard 05-14-2018 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 10036867)
For some baked goods, it does not turn out right if you use butter. Sugar cookies, or the recipe I have for them anyway, do not turn out well with butter.

Yes. Those need lard to cook properly.

red-beard 05-14-2018 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vash (Post 10036403)
i read a recipe that called for margarine..(it was for mexican street corn - elotes)

whoa.. i dont think i have ever bought the stuff as an adult. (ate it as a kid i'm sure)

i'm 99% sure that real buffalo wings call for the stuff.

is there just one tub sitting at the grocery store? people still buying it?

A chef gave me his recipe for Wing Sauce:

Whirl mixed with Franks sauce.

https://www.samsclub.com/sams/butter-alternative-1-gal/113830.ip

red-beard 05-14-2018 01:30 PM

My wife uses a "butter substitute" for bread and the like.

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javadog 05-14-2018 03:15 PM

I haven't even seen margarine since I was a kid. I use butter, typically a European style butter.

I use olive and avocado oils, primarily, for cooking.

If you are cooking something Mexican, consider using lard, because that's the fat of choice for many things Mexican.

masraum 05-14-2018 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jims5543 (Post 10036685)
I try to avoid processed foods when I can, all things in moderation is the key.

Yeah, I have to think that margarine is not good for you. And I think the whole "butter is bad for you and processed vegetable oil (that's probably often hydrogenated) is good for you is also crap. Studies have been done and shown that the fat that you eat has very, very little to do with your cholesterol levels. The vast majority of the cholesterol in your body is made by your liver (or kidneys? Or something like that).
Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10036688)
Butter and even fake virgin olive oil 'burns' easy at unattended medium stove temperatures.

Burning = Changing 'good' fats to 'bad'.
(when singeing, just burn a very small amount for flavor please)

The teflon pan itself is probably more bad than the butter.

That's interesting that the type of olive oil makes a difference.
Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10036926)
Butter has a lot of water which evaporates easy when baking.
The remaining butter fats burn easy at low temp when frying.

So use butter as a compliment flavor at the end of cooking.
Don't use as a primary fry grease.

The really interesting thing is that you can buy unsalted butter, melt it in a pot over medium heat and wait for the water to evaporate and the milk solids to precipitate and brown. Then filter out the solids and you're left with Ghee which has a very high smoke point and is great for frying. It's the milk solids that burn.



https://jonbarron.org/diet-and-nutrition/healthiest-cooking-oil-chart-smoke-points
Below is just an excerpt of the list at the link above.

Unrefined Safflower oil 225°F

Extra Virgin Olive Oil 320°F

Semi-refined Safflower oil 320°F

Butter 350°F

Vegetable Shortening 360°F

Lard 370°F

Canola Oil 400°F

Extra Virgin Olive Oil (low acidity) 405°F

Extra light olive oil (more refined) 468°F

Ghee (Clarified Butter) 485°F

Refined Safflower oil 510°F

Avocado Oil 520°F

Superman 05-14-2018 04:24 PM

If you want a really killer pie crust, you need to use my method/recipe and Crisco. Same with chocolate chip cookies and other cookies and baked goodies. No butter. No butter flavored Crisco. White Crisco. Shortening, that is. More precisely, hydrogenated vegetable shortening. For your application, the shortening may be an important ingredient. My ex mother-in-law used lard. Often. For tortillas and such. These details are important.....in baking.

In cooking and eating however, no. I use butter.

Bill Douglas 05-14-2018 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKDinOKC (Post 10036493)
I can't believe it's not butter.

Same ad' here too.


Butter butters better was the other one.

svandamme 05-14-2018 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pksystems (Post 10036754)
Margarine over butter any day of the week. It tastes so much better.... Better for you too.

Regardless of health parameters...margerine has taste?!??

Youwhotm8te?
Do you have functioning taste buds?
Margerine vs Real butter or Whizzo butter / a dead crab?



Im very confused by that statement. Do they add seasoning to margerine in the us or something?

Or is real butter banned ?


Seriously if your margerine has more taste then real butter, you ain't got real butter.

svandamme 05-14-2018 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10036926)
Butter has a lot of water which evaporates easy when baking.
The remaining butter fats burn easy at low temp when frying.

So use butter as a compliment flavor at the end of cooking.
Don't use as a primary fry grease.

Flour and watery mass ingredients such as vegetables requires time to absorb flavors and changes the entire process and cooking schedule.
Oil<=>Water<=>Carb mass absorption.

don't use normal butter but "clarified butter" for cooking.
I would not even think of using regular butter to cook with.. without first clarifying it.

Basically melt it, let it sit, and then the water and whey solids seperate from the butter fat.
That clarified butter will be much better to cooking use, not burn as fast.
and not go rancid at room temps.
That's how it's done in the pro kitchens..

Nobody should cook in a pan with normal butter, that's just wrong.

Tobra 05-14-2018 08:55 PM

When I worked in restaurants, they used a LOT of clarified butter. If you let it sit out in a big container in the back of the kitchen, where it was about 120*, and the solids would float to the top.

Trick for pie crust is to keep the Crisco in the fridge, use ice water and handle it as little as possible.

svandamme 05-14-2018 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 10037495)
When I worked in restaurants, they used a LOT of clarified butter. If you let it sit out in a big container in the back of the kitchen, where it was about 120*, and the solids would float to the top.

Then it wasn't fully clarified butter yet, there should be no solids that can drift on clarified butter.

This is clarified butter cold
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rschmalz-3.jpg

This is the same clarified butter warm

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...rschmalz-2.jpg

No water, no solids, just pure butter fat

svandamme 05-15-2018 12:19 AM

clarified butter is not as tasty as regular butter... it's just for cooking..


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