Spoon guys, compensate, flash suppressor, muzzle brake

[scottmandue]

First off I have been told (on the internet) and understand all of the above are unnecessary on a civilian semi-auto pistol caliber carbine.

But they look so cool I want one for cosmetic purposes only.

Also been told (on the internet) they can make the rifle louder? (Not what I expected ).

And been told (yes, on the internet) some can actually make your rifle less accurate (deal breaker for me).

Yes, I get the irony that I am asking on the internet to confirm/ deny what I heard on the internet.

But I know and trust you guys plus many of you are very accomplished/experienced at building your own spoons and I presume you know much about such things.

{This is my first long gun other than a shot spoon}

Thanks much

[legion]

Compensators are nice on competition pistols.

Yes, some flash suppressors can make a rifle much louder.

I only own one thing with a muzzle brake, and without it, it would probably break my shoulder.

[flipper35]

You really need a loudener! Assuming this in an AR platform though a compensator won't do much for you, nor a muzzle brake. Don't know how they affect accuracy but they can change the barrel harmonics resulting in better or worse accuracy.

[id10t]

Muzzle breaks/compensators reduce muzzle flip under recoil by redirecting gasses up or to the sides - and yes, they can make things louder. Buddy has a SCAR17 and while it weighs 2lbs less than my FAL it recoils less and has less muzzle rise. BUT you better use both ear plugs AND ear muffs 'cause it is freakin LOUD.

Flash suppressors reduce the big ball o flame that you can get with some rounds (esp. in shorter barrels) by venting gasses up/down/sides. They too can make things louder. Military ammo is usually loaded with powder designed not to create a lot of flash....

Note that not all flash suppressors can function as breaks, and not all breaks functions as flash suppressors, but combining the functionality is very common (esp. on military type rifles).

Accuracy wise - ANYTHING that changes how a barrel vibrates can affect accuracy - and it can make it better or worse. The Browning BOSS system is basically a weighted muzzle device that as you screw it in/unscrew it it changes the barrel harmonics.

Since you are living in CA I'd say skip whatever evil features you can to get removable magazines - esp. since I think that flash suppressors are banned in CA. See https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1270467

FWIW I tend to shoot my FAL with the muzzle device off (it is a G1 kit, muzzle device isn't threaded it slips on and locks into place). And on my 9mm AR build I can't tell a difference in volume, muzzle flip, or accuracy with or without muzzle device (A2 style birdcage like a bog-standard AR15).

[JavaBrewer]

I have a mini-14 purchased from a private party that is heavily customized. Lots of barrel work topped with a muzzle brake to make it CA compliant. It's as accurate as my friends M1 garand out to 125 yards but noticeably louder. Not a fun indoor range experience - the concussion is eye opening even on an outdoor range. That and tossing brass 25 yards

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by id10t

Since you are living in CA I'd say skip whatever evil features you can to get removable magazines - esp. since I think that flash suppressors are banned in CA. See https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1270467

FWIW I tend to shoot my FAL with the muzzle device off (it is a G1 kit, muzzle device isn't threaded it slips on and locks into place). And on my 9mm AR build I can't tell a difference in volume, muzzle flip, or accuracy with or without muzzle device (A2 style birdcage like a bog-standard AR15).

I am thinking about adding something to a off the shelf 9mm carbine and I know it is totally unnecessary but this is SoCal and we are obsessed with customizing anything we can get our hands on.

But I don't want to tick off my indoor range-mates by bringing in some loud azz carbine.

I will have to study up on what is legal in Kalif.

Was eyeballing these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163034313111

https://www.ebay.com/itm/362311203636?var=631515527712

This guy seems to think the KAW vally compensator is legal in Calif. but that is just his opinion:

http://opticsthoughts.com/?p=2130

[red-beard]

It will not make the rifle more loud. It will make the sound YOU hear louder, because the gasses are now heading somewhat towards you, versus only in the direction of the end of the rifle. In an indoor range, it will be loud whether you do anything or not.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

I am thinking about adding something to a off the shelf 9mm carbine and I know it is totally unnecessary but this is SoCal and we are obsessed with customizing anything we can get our hands on.

But I don't want to tick off my indoor range-mates by bringing in some loud azz carbine.

I will have to study up on what is legal in Kalif.

Was eyeballing these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/163034313111

https://www.ebay.com/itm/362311203636?var=631515527712

This guy seems to think the KAW vally compensator is legal in Calif. but that is just his opinion:

California Gun Ownership: Muzzle Devices » OpticsThoughts

Skip it on a 9mm carbine.... those are primarily intended for the rather short barrel AR "pistols" that you see, and yes, they'll help control blast and flash. Might wanna look for a KAK "flash can" as well. Same idea.

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by red-beard

It will not make the rifle more load. It will make the sound YOU hear louder, because the gasses are now heading somewhat towards you, versus only in the direction of the end of the rifle. In an indoor range, it will be loud whether you do anything or not.

Exactly.

As a frequent range visitor, I've learned to hate these god damn things. They are even more unpleasant to your neighbors on the next bench than they are to you.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by id10t

Skip it on a 9mm carbine.... those are primarily intended for the rather short barrel AR "pistols" that you see, and yes, they'll help control blast and flash. Might wanna look for a KAK "flash can" as well. Same idea.

I totally understand the no-need part... I have a large frame 9mm I have been taking to the range for decades with no problems or fancy do-dad's.

This would be for strictly cosmetic value... for that reason I am leaning toward the Kaw Valley compensatory.

But I will take it to the range first before I bedazzel it (yes, it hasn't even been delivered yet.) and talk to the rangemaster to see if they even allow such things in the building.

[John Rogers]

Even at outdoor ranges if the hot gases coming out of the muzzle are directed someplace other than towards the target the effect on other shooters are not nice. We have folks bring 50 cal BMG, 338 Lapua, 300 Win Mag and a few others and the range safety officers will move them to the other side of our blast wall or well away from others. The 338 Lapua is about as bad as a 50 BMG and will make car alarms go off even if they are not set.

For the small caliber rifles the main advantage is in "looks" like some of the 22LR semi auto's that have a fake (?) can stuck on the front so it looks cool! As also noted, look at the laws since you live in CA where about the only guns nobody hates are my muzzle loaders! Our club president was told by the senior BLM ranger they had arrested a shooter a month ago shooting when the area was posted with no shooting/fire danger signs and then saw he had one of the oil filter silencer adapters and a FRAM oil filter on his AR-15 so he was hauled away. Even his truck was impounded!

[Rapewta]

I made a suppresser with an oil filter years ago. A little attachment bought on e-bay.
Not cool. Really loud with a simi-auto. Threw it in the trash.

I think that noise suppression is great for SEALS in the middle of the night.
I can't see why us rightful firearm owners need to quiet our handguns and longguns.

The argument is that "Why do you want you firearm to not make any noise?"

The libs say is to let you get away with a crime.
The conservatives say it is to no make so much loud noise.

Out here is Kaliforication.. No need for a suppressor.

[vash]

If I could I would get a suppressor. It’s super nice to muffle the sound somewhat.

On a .22, with subsonic ammo, it is so much fun!

Big game hunting; it would be nice to reduce some of the report. I think it’s mandatory in some countries.

My brother hunts rabbits with one. We never hear him. I bought a .22 rifle suppressor ready. When we meet on a private ranch to plink, he is bringing me an extra one.

I’ve never fired a handgun in a home. I bet it rings my bell and blows out an eardrum. I’ll need the detective to write down the questions.

[Eric at Pelican Parts]

I love the PWS FSC556... they do make a PCC compensator for 9mm pistol carbines. Not sure about having it in Cali though. But if it's anything like the FSC556, I'd get it. Virtually no recoil, fast and accurate follow up shots is awesome... it's just a bit loud!

Integrally suppressed rifles are awesome .... too bad California doesn't get any of the cool stuff.

[id10t]

Originally Posted by Rapewta

I made a suppresser with an oil filter years ago. A little attachment bought on e-bay.
Not cool. Really loud with a simi-auto. Threw it in the trash.

I think that noise suppression is great for SEALS in the middle of the night.
I can't see why us rightful firearm owners need to quiet our handguns and longguns.

The argument is that "Why do you want you firearm to not make any noise?"

The libs say is to let you get away with a crime.
The conservatives say it is to no make so much loud noise.

Out here is Kaliforication.. No need for a suppressor.

Believe it or not, in the draconian European countries, if you do manage to legally own a firearm... A suppressor is cheap and cash and carry. No extended back ground check, etc. or $200 tax stamp like here in the states.

[Jeff Higgins]

I just got home from five weeks in Scotland and Ireland. I checked out the deer stalking in the Scottish Highlands, and found it surprisingly accessible and relatively affordable. The estates that have good deer stalking very strongly suggest that you use suppressed rifles. They say it is more "polite". After speaking with several, I did a fair amount of internet surfing, only to see that most sporting rifles sold in Scotland are now suppressed. Imagine that.

[A930Rocket]

My neighbor suggested one for better accuracy on my AR15.

Supposed to make a Big Bang though.

[Jim Bremner]

Careful on what you add to a semiauto rifle in California."flash suppressors" are evil

[crb07]

Originally Posted by Eric at Pelican Parts

I love the PWS FSC556... they do make a PCC compensator for 9mm pistol carbines. Not sure about having it in Cali though. But if it's anything like the FSC556, I'd get it. Virtually no recoil, fast and accurate follow up shots is awesome... it's just a bit loud!

Integrally suppressed rifles are awesome .... too bad California doesn't get any of the cool stuff.

it is funny how I almost never see PWS mentioned. I have 2 in 556. Best piston system out there and a light weight gun. I own Larue, LWRC, Colt, and a few others. PWS is really nice.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins

Exactly.

As a frequent range visitor, I've learned to hate these god damn things. They are even more unpleasant to your neighbors on the next bench than they are to you.

+1. I shoot both indoor and outdoor. When I go to my indoor range I always ask to be kept away from the rifles. The muzzle blast comes right around the barrier! I don't need combat conditions.