Base and Clear System question

[962porsche]

Originally Posted by Ken911

OK so i went to the BASF website. They have Glasurit 90 and 55. Which should i use? And what brand and model of epoxy primer?

you could go with the 55 the 90 line is a water based product and open air spraying with it is out ! like i said go with the limco line .

[Ken911]

Thanks!! Is the Limco good in the sun and humidity we have here in Florida? I drive my car year round since the weather is always sunny here. Do you have a certain primer you would recommend?

[962porsche]

i would and do not every mix deferent products . pick a paint system and use all the products in that system from bottom to top .
so you will beable to use every thing that is in the limco line . what we use in the rab/race shop are .
lp20 etch primer
800K filler primer
you can also use the 800k mixed 1 to 1 as a tinted sealer lays down great .
then
limco supreme plus single stage or base with the limco 4100 clear
what i like about the limco line is just by changing out the mixing clear (binders)
the 1399 for base colors
or
the 1299 for single stage colors
it makes the system very user friendly
also because cars like porsche use BASF limco is a very good color match on them .
so like the other BASF product lines if you want to see the color and how it matches 1st before you spend time doing spray out you can go to the color decks and see real spray out with real paint right from BASF them selfs .
because basf already does the spray outs of there or most of there colors it save the shops 1000's of dollars a year on time and product they would be have to do it them selfs .
that is one big reason i picked BASF systems to put on my shops .

[Ken911]

ok thanks

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by 962porsche

there are good reasons why every top end car maker like ferrari , lambo , porsche , BMW , M. BENZ , rolls royce , maybach , aston martin, and so on only use BASF coatings .

You REALLY, REALLY need to get your facts striaght before you spew things like this. And you wonder why you have run ins with folks here, (me included). Lamborghini uses PPG paints for their beautiful cars. If you'd like I'll post a link for you to read. BMW did use, may still, and I could find out if you'd like, uses PPG powder clearcoat on their 5 & 7 series. The first automobile manufacturer to do so. I'm not going to waste any more time verifying the other OEMs you state. I will say this also. Harley Davidson uses PPG products on ALL their motorcycles, pre-treatment, electrocoat, powdercoat,basecoats & cleacoats. We all know you have a love affair with BASF just don't lie about their usage.

[Smoker324]

Why is the water base a non starter for open spraying? Just asking. I don't know any better?

[Buckterrier]

Not sure what you are asking?

[Smoker324]

962 said open air spraying with water b

[Smoker324]

based system was a non starter. I was wondering why?

[Buckterrier]

Originally Posted by Smoker324

962 said open air spraying with water b

Originally Posted by Smoker324

based system was a non starter. I was wondering why?

Still not sure what you are asking. I read thru the entire thread, (glanced over most of it), and still didn't see what you are referencing. Please use the quote function and hopefully I can answer your question.

I will say one thing. OMG, 962 spews garbage concerning the paint companies. Anyone can quote mix ratios, primers needed etc. But to push people towards the paint company he likes and trash the others is wrong. I'll say this, AND IT IS FACT... PPG is the worlds leading OEM automotive supplier in the world period. No if's and's or but's, fact not conjecture, not internet horse hockey. I've called him out on this before and he had no answer. I hate seeing people change their minds because this guy talks gibberish. Sorry for the rant, his lying just pisses me off.

[Buckterrier]

OK Smoker I found what you meant. I think what he means is you shouldn't spray water-borne paints without controlling atmospherical conditions, @ temperature & humidity. You can but it is tricky.

[xsboost90]

wow ive been spraying dupont for years and i have never had a paint match issue unless someone mixed the color wrong. ONLY paint ive had that i didnt like to spray- too thin- was nason- which is also dupont but its a cheaper line - didnt cover worth a crap.

[962porsche]

Originally Posted by Smoker324

Why is the water base a non starter for open spraying? Just asking. I don't know any better?

spraying a water base color in open air does not work well because you need air moving over the panels or panel to flash off the product . when shops use water base colors we have blowers to flash off the base coats . when your spraying them in the open and start blowing air across the panels they all come out dirty as hell . if you don't have blowers then they take for ever to flash and again they will come out dirty as hell because the base is wet and open to the air for all kinds of crap to land into it .
heat does not flash off water base color air is the only thing that does .