Color matching woes

[ninelevenick]

I really need help with this: I recently had some body work and paint done to the right corner panel on my SC. The paint code is 132 medium ivory. The body work looks amazing, but the color does not match. Nason single stage paint was used. The body shop is willing to respray the panel free of charge because they want me to be happy. So, I gave the paint supplier my headlight ring for a color match. Several attempts were made, but a good match just cannot be achieved. I'm at a loss. There's a thread on the tech forum about how some add whale tails and such. How do they achieve color match?

[ninelevenick]

Am I being realistic with my expectations for a color match? What if I used Glasurit paint?

[962porsche]

if there using Nason ful-thane they just may not have the right tints to match the color .
ful-thane is a low grade coating made more for over all paint jobs were spot on color matching does not come into play .
would they do better with glasurit ?
I would say not ? mostly because i'm sure they don't have a glasurit 22 line system in there shop for them to tint the color if it's off a little .
I have a 22 line system in my shop and you do have to tint 132 from time to time how ever it's a ez color to tint as it's only made up of 5 tints in total .
red
yellow
orhre
black
and a crap load of white .
not knowing just what way the color needs to be tinted is hard to say but I have found most of the time it's to dark that's if your dealing with the oe finish on the car .

what you need to do is find a shop with a painter and not a sprayer that way they can match the color the other way is to use what you have and blend into the next panel .

if I remember right 132 is a 1972 - 1973 years only color ?
and this is for a 1979 car ?

[ninelevenick]

Thanks 962. To answer your question, 132 was offered as a special order color in '79. The mix master at the paint supply shop said what you say about the tint. However, he is a really nice fellow, and he gave me extra yellow and white in separate cans. I have been chasing the match ever since. Either its too dark or too light, but it is always slightly grey. Not fun.

I have been contemplating having the shop repaint the whole car. In this case, I will discuss the pros and cons of using Nason single stage versus PPG base and clear.

However, finding a different shop in my area who specializes in Porsches and color matching may be the far less expensive option, especially since the panel has already been repaired.

Thank you, 962. I feel better now that I have more options.

[962porsche]

all colors are offered as 99 colors my reason for wondering was that color does not match the year leading me to believe the car is a repaint .
the thing with this type of color is they tend to dry darker there for when tinting you have to do a spray out and tint the color a shade lighter when it's wet to compensate for it .
if it just to light it sounds like they just add more white . that is not the best way to try to lighten a color that is to dark because there is black in the color and more white just makes it more gray .
the 1st thing on tinting colors it to remove some of what it's doing then add it back to match it .
to me it sounds like you just need a paint for the job .

[ninelevenick]

to me it sounds like you just need a paint for the job.

Are you suggesting a different paint brand or a different painter or both?

[962porsche]

ok it does come down to many things !
one is money ! it cost money to spend the time to tint colors and do spray out's .
to do those things (tint colors and do spray out ) you need a shop that has a paint system and some one that knows how to tint .
the jobber AKA paint supply store will not do those things . they may take the panel to the car and shot it with one of the color camera's . bt they are only 75 % accurate . so doing a panel paint and trusting in a camera to give you that 100% match will not work .
then your car was painted in glasurit from Porsche .
so I don't know the condition if the finish on your car if it's a repaint how has the weather faded the finish and so on .
but using glasurit 22 would be the paint system I would go to in order to paint your car .
from there I would deside on if I were to do a color blend int the next panel or to do a panel paint .
now your car is not some thing rare so I would most likely opt for a color blend . and yes you can blend single stage and it's ez along with long lasting .
but if I were to tint and do spray outs because they cost money either you or the insurance co would have to pay for the shop to do them .

now you took it to a shop that I would bet don't work on Porsche much ?
then I would bet they don't have a single stage paint system in there shop ?
then I bet even if they did the painter could not tint the color ?

now on your part .
are you paying for a shop to give you a dead nut spot on color match ?
is your cars finish so good you can't blend into the next panel ?

i'm not suggesting any thing right now because I have no facts to go by I know nothing about the job .
but my guess is one if not most of the things I stated you would have to do .

[ninelevenick]

Wow, thank you again, 962. Yes, the shop I used does not work on Porsches much. They recently painted a long hood, but not with single stage paint. They don't have much experience with single stage. When I first began searching for a shop, I contacted a reputable shop in the Sacramento area that is known for working on Porsches. But, the owner himself told me that they only use two stage paint because single stage is not VOC compliant. I didn't know enough then to ask, but I assume he was referring to Glasurit.

[962porsche]

no glasurit single stage 22 line is compliant for CAL. they just use a different hardener to make it so then most of the other states in the USA do .
CT and CAL. have pretty much the same VOL laws how ever they still let us use the older higher VOL hardeners for the 22 line but many shop here do use the same hardener as what is offered in CAL. .
so he knows not what he is talking about ! how ever they may not be a BASF user .
there are 3 SS vol compliant paints that can be used in CAL. the 22 line is one of them .

if a shop is not willing to paint a car in SS when it came that way from the auto maker then that is not a shop you would want to pick to do the paint work on your car .
there is a difference between a collision repair shop and a resto shop .
if you own a older cars that has special needs like what finish is on the car then looking into having a collision shop work on your car is not the right way to go even if your old car was in a collision . you would need to find a resto shop for the repair !
this is why if a customer would come to us with there old Porsche that was hit we would repair it but if the same guy came to us with his Nissan that was hit we would send him down the road .
when your looking for a shop you have to find one that can do the job and has the tools to do the hole job one time the right way the 1st time .
the shop you looked into in sacramento was not the shop either to pick .
i'm sure they are not a resto shop though they may work on porsches they are not a Porsche shop as if they were they would have the tools to repair your car .
in my old shops we would get cars from all over the states and Canada to repair for one reason we had the tools and the know how to repair the types of cars we worked on like Ferrari's , lambo's, porsches and alike .
so some times as the car owner you may have to send your car out of your area to have it repaired in the right way with the right material's .