Building a 356 model, need help please
 

Greetings,

I am building a 356 model in 1/24 scale, and am going to superdetail it with all visible lines, hoses, and wiring.

The car I am doing is a cabriolet, I think, and looks to have a doubleoverhead cam engine with dual distributor caps. It has rectangular air boxes over the carbs.

I am looking for any info and advice on the year and type of car this is. Is it a Cabrio or roadster, and how can I tell the difference?

I found some pics of the engine, but none that really tell me where the hoses and wiring in the engine bay route to, and why my particular model has two distributor caps.

Also what color would the interior be if I paint the exterior of the car silver? Red? Black?

Any reference info anyone could provide me with would be most appreciated, and I will post pics of the model once it's finished.

Thank you

Lumpulus(Kevin)

email is kevin.colburn.b@bayer.com

That would be a Carrera, but I don't think they made them in a cab. Sounds fun!

Hello

Yes the Fuhrmann ( 547 Carrera ) engine came with all bodys. Even with Hardtopcoupes.

The late Fuhrmann engines had the distributuirs siting on the end from the engine, making a Vee. The run on a seperate shaft who could be pulled to change the fan/alternator belt.

Previous engines had the distributors siting on the end from the camshafts making it very tricky at services and always runing asynchron.


Year is very easy:

pre 60´car´s had no filler flap. In 61 the new BT6 body came. In 63 the rims changed from the big 205mm bolt pattern to the smaller still today used 130 mm pattern.Other details are the dashboard the location from the glove box lock or the armrest on the door.

Convertibles have a screenframe integratet to the body, speedsters and Roadsters have a removable framed in screen.

Now color codes normal definate the interiour colors but Porsche also made costum mixtures and special one offs.

The silver cars mostly had red interiour but could also come with black or darkblue. Red was mostly black interiour. Darkblue came with black or gray. Green with tan or red. White mostly with red but also with tan or blue. Yellow came with black or tan.

Hoses, can you post the pictures ?

There is a big tube runing up diagonal thats the vent tube from the engine case. The oil will recondensate inside and run back down. You also will find a oiltank on the driverside with a filler neck inside the enginebay and depending on the version a external gasheater on the rear engine valance.

Hoses run from various places.

Wires run only to the alternator, coils and the distributors

Grüsse

Thanks for the Information! It's just what I needed.
I also have gotten some pics ftom KAM Motorsports in Waterbury
CT. Gerry at KAM was most gracious in taking some pics for me.

Here is a before pic of the engine and tranny with just the sub assemblies done, with my car key as a scale reference. :-)

Thanks again, and I'll still take any pics anyone has.

Lumpy(Kevin)

Hello

Have pictures from Dash and body ?

Do you have the instrument faces ?

Yes, I have some really good pics I found scouring the "net of
silver 1964 Cabrio with really good interior photos, as evidenced
by the pic I included below. I could use more pics of the front under hood area, and under the car area.

Thanks

KC

Hello

This picture shows a B dash.

The carrera has two switches under the Tach where you can switch each ignition circuit. A Choke puller right top of the speedo and optional 2 little additional instruments beside the Clock ( Amperage and Oilpressure )

Grüsse

Thanks once again! I have a part that I'm not sure of in the engine bay, and will try to describe it first, and if that doesn't help I'll take a picture when I go home.

It's an oil tank I think, or the engine heater you described.
It sits on the back flywheel shroud and has a diagonal tube
running to the main block.

Any ideas? Once again, thank you!

Kevin

Hello

better picture it.

I´m still looking for online pics. There was a thread on the 911 board last days showing the ex Ferdinand BT5 /T6 prototype

Grüsse

Here it is, looks to me like some pipes or lines attach to it as well.

Thanks for any help,

Kevin

And another pic, and how it attaches to the shroud.

KC

Hello

There is a big tube runing up diagonal thats the vent tube from the engine case. The oil will recondensate inside and run back down.

This is the late version with positive crank case ventilation.
Sorry never worked on one from these egines. My guess is one hose goes from the aircleaners to the upper exhaust.

The lower one runs down to the oiltankventialation.

But maybe both runed to the aircleaners each one to the other side.

Grüsse

Grüsse

Vielen Dank! I thought that's what it was as well after I went to the local bookstore and looked for Porsche books with pictures of the engines. I found a few good pictures of the part, which I think actually attaches to the firewall, not the flywheel shroud. A little artistic license I think from Fujimi? :)

That is the about the only German I know, having spent 3 weeks in Ratingen as I work for Bayer in the states. I went to the Nurburgring and watched an "old timer" race there. Such fun!!

Thank you again!

Kevin

Hello

Hugh, i know Bayer as well, I worked in the Agfa Division.

Now i think that canister is attached to the engine as it will have to move when the engine is floating in the rubber elements.

As far I see it the kit is pretty accurate that reminds me of some old Tamiya and Revell kits stored in my cellar for bad times.
Ialso must have a Pocher and some very nice 1/32 japan made kits witch brassetched chrome parts and very thin foil for the glas. I startet with the 356 but didn´t liked how the paint looked i then made a misstake to use some gloss to mate it and make it look realistic. Weeks later the paint wrinkled up.

I once had a Kremer Vailant 935 and a Lola MKIV from Tamiya but traded them in the shooltime ( building them was more fun then de dusting them all the time ) against many airfix planes an WWII tech stuff.

Grüsse

So you work for a Bayer division as well? Small world!
I work for the Diagnostics Division in Massachusetts taking care of the network at one of three sites. I went to Ratingen in June July of last year to help out with a new project.

So you are also a modeler? Excellent! Your english is alot better than my German :D

My true passion is Formula 1, but I am not much of a Schumie Fan.
I liked Senna when he was alive.

I have many formula one models and like Le Mans as well.

Take care and regards

Kevin

Here is my most recent model.

Kevin

Hello

I "worked" ( once a time long ago ;)). Bayer had some "direct" 60 000 employes back then.


In the AGFA division i worked as mechanical trouble shooter on the Heilbronn emolsion plant ( some 100 people there ).

I´m still a modeler yet moved to the big boy scale ( 1:1 ) ;)

Now I like every sport with wheels and technical stuff and the tactics. I don´t have a favorite driver ( OK Villneuve, maybe a favorite team TAG runed by Mr Zucker. They own Mc Larren ;)).

Now you gues my favorite F1 pages are atlas ( good BB with Ludvigsen ) and forrix ( only for us oldtimers ) but my F1 bookmarks are some 300 links. Most from them are about oldtimers and old drivers.

Now MS. I once met him when i delivered parts to Willy Webers Opel Dallara Team. He worked there as mechanic swepet the floor and helped me unload the heavy stuff. Was surprised to find him with the Mercedes Junior Team later.

MS is somehow a typical german. He just wantet to make his thing perfect and didn´t cared to much about the appendix.

Grüsse

There are more photos of 356 in our photo gallery than anywhere else in the world:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/swapmeet_pics/swapmeet_pic_index.htm

-Wayne

Wayne,

Thanks very much! Your exploded 356 parts reference is a great scource of reference as well! Thanks!

Lumpy(Kevin)

I thought I'd post an in progress pic of the engine.
I'm happy with the result so far.

Kevin

That is very nice I wish that I had the skill and patience it must take to do something like this.

Here is an image for reference.

Thanks for the compliment and the reference photo!

My eyes have become permenantly crossed from this project! :D

Starting on the interior next, for which I have plenty of pictures.

Kevin

Ok it's finished. I hope the judges will be kind.
Thanks to everyone that helped me out with the reference material and suggestions. That's what's great about the internet!

Kevin

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from the front...

Man that is beautiful, I cannot believe that you built that all by hand.

Do you have a close shot of the engine I would like to see how it turned out.

You really have quite a gift.

Kelly

Thanks! I try. Heres the completed engine. You really can't see it in the car too well.

Kevin

One last question...Does the front hood stay up by itself on the real car, or is there a rod to hold it up? If there is a rod, where did it go on the car.

Thanks,

Kevin

I am not sure if carreras are different but the pushrod models have a hinge that enables it to be held up with no rod and you have to lift it to release it inorder for it to close.

Im sure that someone else can clarify if this is only for the pushrod models and not the fourcams

Regards,

Kelly

Kelly,

Thanks, I figured as much, because I saw no support rods in any of my reference pictures.

Appreciate the quick reply!

Kevin

Hello

Carreras have the same system.

Thats why most US 356 have a bend hood. Some people always tried to slam down the hood not knowing you have to lift it up a bit to unlook the mechnismen.

Grüsse

Thanks, I thought as much. :)

I just got a Speedster model in the mail last yesterday, so it's off to start on that!

Kevin

Kevin,

Great looking engine. Keep us up to date as your model progresses.

The Fujimi 356 kits have just about disappeared from the US market, but can still be bought from some distributors. Check Hobby Link Japan: http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljlist.cgi

They still have several of the 356 and 911 models. Too bad for me, but no 914s. I do have a couple of the old Revell 1/24 914s (pretty poor quality) and an Entex 1/20 914 (fair quality), but they are not up to the Fujimi or Tamiya standard.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the compliment!
Did you see the pics of the completed model posted earlier in the thread?

Also, thanks for the pointer to HLJ.com. I've been doing business with Scott Hards, the owner of HLJ, since day one, when you sent a money order or bank check to a friend or relative of his in Michigan, and then he mailed the kits to you. Now it's grown into the best run eBusiness Site I've ever seen! :)

I think they have just about all of the 911 and 356 series, with more on the way. I just spent $200 completing my collection of the Daytonas and Dinos on Ebay. I now have the entire series of 356's, Daytonas' and Dino's, with 3 911's left to complete that series. The Fujimi Enthusiast series is the best 1/24 model kit series I have ever seen, bar none. The detail is incredible.

I consider myself a pretty well informed consumer and modeler,
but I had not been aware of this series of kits until a member in my model club died last year, and we had a flea market of his 600+ kits to raise money for his widow. I bought his entire F1 1/20 collection, and also saw the Testor\Fujimi packaged version of this kit in the pile, which I also bought after looking at the instructions. As a tribute to or late club member, we all decided to build a kit that we bought from his collection that had already been started in any way, but not finished. My contribution was this 356 kit, which he had glued the engine block halves together, but not much else. I was gonna build it OOTB, but as I studied the instructions, I saw that this kit cried out to be superdetailed! You will see the results earlier in this thread.

Thanks again for the kind words and HLJ info.

Lumpulus(Kevin)

Actually here is a pic of the finished model.( I added the grommet snaps to the top cover. I'm thinking of adding aftermarket photo etch wipers, but we'll see.

The model has done well in model shows so far winning a first in Foreign/Exotic class at the Masscar show in Taunton, MA and also a first in the Showroom stock class at the IPMS Noreastcon regional contest in Sturbridge, MA.

Thanks again to anyone who helped. I really appreciate it!

Kevin

Is that from a kit, or did you have to make the parts too?

-Wayne

Wayne,

Not sure I understand what you're asking.:)

The base kit is a 1/24 scale Testors/Fujimi 356B or C model, with
different dashboards and drum or disc brakes depending on the version you choose. I chose to do the B model because I wanted to do the drumbrake version. The kit, while VERY detailed, has no wires or lines of any kind, It's a excellent base to start a superdetailing project, though. Any photo-etch is aftermarket, that anyone can purchase.

Here's the description I entered with the car at the Masscar Model contest...Sorry for the length, I did alot extra.

Complete brake line system accurately modeled using electrical wire and Replicas & Miniatures photo-etch nuts, fitting, and metal brake lines.

Complete and accurately plumbed and wired engine. Engine is the high perfomance Carrera version with twin coils and distributors, as well as two spark plugs per Cylinder.

Complete and accurately modeled throttle linkages from the bellcrank on the underside of the car back to the twin carbs using R&M photoetch throttle linkages, throttle return springs,
brass rod, and a straight pin cut down to the correct size.

Clutch cable, return spring and actuator lever made from wire, R&M linkages and springs.

Photo-etch front sway bar connecting rods.

Correctly wired 6 volt battery system underneath spare tire in front boot. (Can remove spare if needed)

“Leather” spare tire strap cut from masking tape and painted, with photo-etch buckle and brass rod bracket.

Where relevant, chrome pieces were stripped and airbrushed with Alclad Chrome, or covered with bare metal foil.

Interior surfaces covered with Scale Motorsport Faux Fabric, and “floormats” cut from lint free cloth and painted to match interior according to Porsche Interior\exterior color charts found on the internet. Gauge faces trimmed with bare metal foil. Photo-etch sun visors with bare metal foil “vanity mirror”.

Sakatsu aftermarket radio antenna.

Convertible top grommets and snaps from Scale Motosports Nuts, Bolts, and Washers set.

Well, after one last show in March, the 356 will be retired from competition. It has won 3 first in class, two best Automotive awards, and a memorial challange award, and an IPMS (International Plastic Model Society) Regional award.

I wanted to thank anyone who answered my questions in this forum. You answers and feedback really helped me out, and I appreciate it!

Kevin

2 THINGS
 

1ST: Very nice!
2ND: It's a model of a Carrera 2 Cabriolet, with a 587/1 engine as I recall. There was a total of 28 made...:eek: